How does a single phase induction motor work with a non-constant power supply?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the operation of single phase induction motors in relation to power supply characteristics, particularly focusing on the differences between single phase and three phase systems. Participants explore the implications of non-constant power in single phase systems and its effects on mechanical power, torque, and speed.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that single phase systems do not provide constant power, leading to questions about whether mechanical power, torque, or speed in such motors is also non-constant.
  • Another participant challenges the notion of constant electrical power in induction motors, seeking clarification on the original claim.
  • A participant references course material stating that three phase induction motors operate with constant electric power, suggesting this is due to the nature of balanced systems.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the claims made regarding constant power, labeling them as unclear or misleading.
  • Another participant acknowledges that while three phase power appears more constant than single phase, it is not equivalent to DC power, and suggests that the motor's inductance may smooth out power variations.
  • A later reply indicates uncertainty regarding the behavior of power in inductive loads, reflecting a shift in understanding based on previous comments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the nature of power in single phase versus three phase induction motors, with no consensus reached on the implications for mechanical power or the validity of the claims made.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference course materials and personal interpretations, leading to potential misunderstandings about the definitions of constant power in different contexts. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with the subject matter.

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NOTE: This is not a homework problem.

This semester we dealt with AC motors both three phase and single phase.

Now I know that 3 phase system is associated with constant power and therefore a constant power is being fed into that motor (and hence converted into constant mechanical power)

However single phase system do not have a constant power. For unity pf load they'll get sin^2 term which is not constant. Then in those kind of motors is the mechanical power is also not constant? If that is the case shouldn't we get time dependent torque or speed or both?
 
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Where did you get the idea that there is constant electrical power going into an induction motor? Am I misunderstanding something?
 
My course text mentions that 3 phase induction motor runs on constant electric power. It proofs it in sense that the power delivered to the motor in a 3 phase balanced system is constant..
 
That sounds like mumbo-jumbo to me.
 
dhruv.tara said:
My course text mentions that 3 phase induction motor runs on constant electric power. It proofs it in sense that the power delivered to the motor in a 3 phase balanced system is constant..

3 phase power does look more constant than 1 phase but it's not constant like DC power. Maybe your text is talking about the torque @ the shaft of your motor. In this case, the power @ the motor shaft could be constant due to the inductance of the motor windings acting like capacitors. Basically the windings smooth out the ripple of 3 phase power.
 
3-phase does deliver constant power to a resistive load.
I am not quite sure now for an inductive load such as a motor, due to the above comments. I now stand corrected.
 

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