How Does Angular Momentum Affect Torque in a Suspended Hoop?

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The discussion focuses on understanding the relationship between angular momentum and torque in a suspended hoop, particularly in problem 7.7 from Kleppner's mechanics book. The main challenge involves calculating the torque generated by the tension in the string, which acts at an angle to the axis of the hoop. Participants express uncertainty about how to accurately compute the relevant force and whether to consider both components of angular momentum when analyzing the system. There is also a comparison made between the behavior of the hoop and that of a tilted gyroscope. Overall, the conversation seeks clarity on the mechanics involved in this specific problem.
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Homework Statement


This is problem 7.7 from [kleppners mechanics book]http://books.google.ie/books?id=Hmq...rough a point on the rim of the hoop"&f=false but its also a general question on understanding this type of problem.

Homework Equations


L=Iω
dL/dt=ΩL=rxF

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The standard approach appears to be compute the angular momentum from Iω and find how it changes with respect to time, generally its ΩL where Ω is the precession about the axis, then compute the relevant torque and set them equal and solve for whatever your looking for.My problems arises in 7.7 as the force creating the torque(the tension in the string) is at an angle to axis and the r from r x F is also at angle to the axis. So I'm not quite sure how I get the relevant force, I'm thinking it's as simple as r x (perp component of T) but I'm not 100%.

I'm also not sure since, I'm breaking down ω as a vector into components, perp and parallel to the hoop, then computing the spin angular momentum from the perp ω and ignoring the parallel ω one. But I'm not sure if you can just do that in this problem because the way the torque is setup, maybe I need to include the other component of angular momentum into it?.

Help would be much appreciated.

As they say solve it approximately with small angles, I assume that means cosx=1 and sinx=xRight now for dL/dt i.e ΩL I have MR^2 ω^2 β
and for the torque I have with T=Mg torque=RMg(1+αβ)
 
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Google does not want to show that part of book anymore. You will have to reproduce the problem here to get any help.
 
voko said:
Google does not want to show that part of book anymore. You will have to reproduce the problem here to get any help.

Really? It shows me it just fine when I click on the link

http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~kovacs/Teaching/Mechanics/Kleppner-Kolenkow.pdf

page 352 question 7.7
 
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I have looked through the whole chapter in the book, and I have a question: how is the hoop different from a gyroscope tilted down?
 
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