How does conservation of charge work?

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of charge, specifically in the context of two identical conducting spheres with different initial charges being brought into contact. Participants explore how charge distribution occurs and the implications of capacitance and potential on the final charges of the spheres after separation.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an example involving two conducting spheres with charges of +2.0 × 10–8 C and –3.0 × 10–8 C, questioning how to arrive at the final charge on sphere X after they are separated.
  • Another participant suggests that the charge distribution depends on the capacitance of the spheres, noting that if they are identical, their capacitance is equal, leading to equal charge distribution.
  • Some participants express confusion about the mathematical operations involved, particularly regarding the treatment of absolute values and the significance of charge signs.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of considering both positive and negative charges in the calculations, indicating that the sign of the charge is critical.
  • Another participant explains that when the spheres are in contact, they become an equipotential surface, leading to even charge distribution due to symmetry.
  • There is a discussion about the net charge before and after the spheres are separated, with participants attempting to clarify how to correctly compute the final charges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of the answer provided in the example, with some supporting the answer given in the answer key while others question its validity based on their calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the final charge on sphere X and the method of calculation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need to consider the signs of the charges and the implications of capacitance, but there are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding charge distribution and symmetry that are not fully clarified.

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Example: A conducting sphere X that has an initial charge of +2.0 × 10–8 C and an identical conducting sphere Y that has an initial charge of –3.0 × 10–8 C are touched together. After they are separated, the charge on sphere X is?

Answer: (–5.0 × 10–9 C)

And what I would have done is tried to balance them out by adding them together and dividing by 2, but either way I can't understand how they got an exponent of "-9"

Not a homework problem, I just need to understand what's going on here, and how to come up with solutions to solving this type of problem with charged particles.
 
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AceInfinity said:
Example: A conducting sphere X that has an initial charge of +2.0 × 10–8 C and an identical conducting sphere Y that has an initial charge of –3.0 × 10–8 C are touched together. After they are separated, the charge on sphere X is?

Answer: (–5.0 × 10–9 C)

And what I would have done is tried to balance them out by adding them together and dividing by 2, but either way I can't understand how they got an exponent of "-9"

Not a homework problem, I just need to understand what's going on here, and how to come up with solutions to solving this type of problem with charged particles.
AceInfinity is this complete question. if yes then answer(–5.0 × 10–9 C) may wrong. How charge distribution occur it depends on capacitance of that body. In your question you say identical conducting sphere so their capacitance equal so charge should equal on both sphere and you are seeming correct.

if capacitance of two sphere is different say C1 and C2 then we use the point that potential on both the sphere should equal(as they are in contact).V1=V2 => Q1/c1=q2C2 q and c represent their charge and capacitance respectively.
Hope my my answer helps.
 
AceInfinity said:
by adding them together

What number do you get at this point?

and dividing by 2

And what number do you get at this point?
 
vkash said:
AceInfinity is this complete question. if yes then answer(–5.0 × 10–9 C) may wrong. How charge distribution occur it depends on capacitance of that body. In your question you say identical conducting sphere so their capacitance equal so charge should equal on both sphere and you are seeming correct.

if capacitance of two sphere is different say C1 and C2 then we use the point that potential on both the sphere should equal(as they are in contact).V1=V2 => Q1/c1=q2C2 q and c represent their charge and capacitance respectively.
Hope my my answer helps.

Not sure. I'm still convinced that the answer they gave in the answer key is correct because this is from a practice Diploma.

@jtbell I got 5.00x108

Dividing that by 2 would equal 2.50x108

I'm still confused though, as the way I was doing it must be wrong, so doing that is irrelevant. I was keeping to the numbers as if they were absolute values.
 
AceInfinity said:
Not sure. I'm still convinced that the answer they gave in the answer key is correct because this is from a practice Diploma.

@jtbell I got 5.00x108

Dividing that by 2 would equal 2.50x108

I'm still confused though, as the way I was doing it must be wrong, so doing that is irrelevant. I was keeping to the numbers as if they were absolute values.

Ah yes! Remember that there exist both positive and negative charges, so the sign associated with the charge is very important!
 
I know, There's just that number of charges MORE as those numbers are only net charges, but how would you solve this? Still doesn't answer that
 
They are identical spheres and we can assume symmetry at work in this problem. So we know that after touching and drawing them apart that they should have the same net charge. We know this because a conductor is an equipotential surface and so when they are brought in contact the amalgamation of the two spheres becomes a single equipotential surface. Thus, the charge becomes evenly distribtuted across the two spheres when they come in contact (via symmetry and equipotential).

Next, how much charge is there? When you bring the two spheres together, what is the net charge that is distributed across the surfaces? Now when you separate the spheres, what is the net charge distributed on each sphere? As Nabeshin stated, you need to remember to keep track of the sign.
 
AceInfinity said:
I know, There's just that number of charges MORE as those numbers are only net charges, but how would you solve this? Still doesn't answer that

Nabeshin gave you a big hint. Signs are critical to this problem.

(You aren't adding correctly)
 
Alright, so I added them as If they weren't absolute values and ended up with the smaller number (exponent -9) I should have assumed that was the case since there's no other way that I would end up with a smaller number than to end up with a smaller number through the adding process, and the only way to do that would to be to minus the 3. (Which would also give me a "-"5 result...)

Guess I just wasn't thinking:

[(+2.0 × 10-8) + (-3.0 x 10-8)] ÷ 2 = -5.0x10-9
 

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