How does dynamic pressure affect static pressure?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between dynamic pressure and static pressure in the context of a piston pushing water through a pipe into the atmosphere. Participants explore how these pressures interact to determine the net force acting on the piston, considering factors like velocity and vacuum conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario with a piston generating dynamic pressure while pushing water at a constant velocity, questioning the net force on the piston considering various pressures.
  • Another participant argues that dynamic pressure does not affect the net force on the piston when the velocity is constant, stating that dynamic pressure is merely a relative measure in this case.
  • A follow-up question seeks clarification on whether the net acting force would simply be the difference in atmospheric pressure, implying a focus on static pressure alone.
  • Concerns about real-world factors such as friction and viscosity are mentioned, suggesting that these could influence the actual pressure experienced at the piston.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of dynamic pressure in determining the net force on the piston. While one participant believes it has no effect under constant velocity, another seeks to confirm if static pressure alone dictates the net force, indicating unresolved aspects of the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the implications of dynamic pressure in this scenario, and assumptions regarding the effects of friction and viscosity remain unaddressed.

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I have attached another diagram, and in the diagram I show a round piston with a 1 sq ft surface area pushing water through the pipe out into to open atmosphere at 14.7 psi at a constant velocity of 75 ft/sec. There is a vacuum behind the piston, and I have calculated a 37.9 psi dynamic pressure being generated by the flow.

My question is: Based upon the dynamic pressure generated by the flow, the atmospheric outside the pipe, and the vacuum behind the piston plate, (ignoring the viscosity of the flow and the pipe walls) what will the net acting force be on the piston plate?

Will it simply be 2116.8 lbs, which is the pressure difference between the vacuum and the outside atmospheric pressure, or does the dynamic pressure or momentum of the flow have any affect?

Thank you,

rcoopster
 

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Any Thoughts would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
 
The dynamic pressure will not have an effect on the net force acting on the piston. Dynamic pressure effects only occur when the velocity of a gas or fluid is changed. If the velocity is constant, then dynamic pressure is just a number relative to some frame of reference. This is ingoring issues like friction with the walls of the pipe and viscosity in the water. In the real world, the pressure at the piston would have to be slightly greater than 1 atm, and pressure would decrease slightly with distance the water travels in the pipe due to friction and viscosity.
 
Does this mean that the net acting force on the piston would be equal to the 2116.8 lb atmospheric pressure difference?

thanks,

Rcoopster
 

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