How Does Removing the Amplitude Factor Improve Ball Bounce Modelling?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around modeling the height and time of a bouncing ball using mathematical functions, specifically focusing on the impact of removing the amplitude factor from the model. Participants explore the implications of this change on the accuracy of the bounce model, comparing different functions derived from the original model.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario involving the modeling of a ball's bounce using the function f(x)=|a*sin(b(x-c))|, where they derive parameters a, b, and c.
  • The same participant proposes a new function s(x) that incorporates an exponential decay factor, suggesting that this provides a more realistic representation of the bounce height over time.
  • The participant questions why removing the amplitude factor a from the function results in a more accurate model (h(x)=e(x)*|sin(b(x-c))|) compared to the original function s(x), proposing that the decay of amplitude is unnecessary when a is less than 1.
  • Another participant calculates the decaying amplitude at the first bounce, suggesting that the value is approximately 0.55, which they argue is closer to 0.5 than a lower value.
  • A further comment raises a question about the amplitude decay at the peak of the first bounce, indicating that knowledge of differential calculus may be necessary to fully understand the implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of removing the amplitude factor and its implications for model accuracy. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the best approach or the accuracy of the models presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on specific mathematical assumptions and definitions related to the functions used, and there may be limitations in understanding the decay effects without advanced calculus knowledge. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in the modeling process.

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Hi guys, just an intuitive question I've come across. Quite ambiguous, not sure on the correct response.

So basically I'm given a scenario where I'm provided the data of an actual height vs time points of a vertical ball drop and it's bounce up and back down etc.

Question starts off where I have to model the height and time of the bounce using the points given to the equation f(x)=|a*sin(b(x-c))|

Hence i work out a, b and c a=0.5, b=3, c=0.6 and drew the graph.

Commented on the fit of the model.Next I am asked to create a new function s(x) where it is created by multiplying the original f(x) function by an exponential function e(x) i.e. s(x)=e(x)*f(x).

This provides a decaying effect of the height, hence more realistic.

Finally, I am asked to draw a new function, h(x), whereby i only remove the value a from the f(x) function so h(x)=e(x)*|sin(b(x-c))|.

I am then asked, Having removed a=0.5 in f(x), why does this give a more accurate model than s(x).My thoughts?
I believe it is because that since the value of a is less than 1, the height of the ball bounce is proportionally decreasing unnecessarily when comparing the h(x) and s(x) models respectively.

Thoughts guys?Thanks in advance.
 
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By the time you get to the first bounce, the decaying amplitude (which should presumably be $e^{-x}$) is:

$$e^{-0.6}\approx0.55$$

and this is closer to 0.5 than half that value.
 
Suggested that the response is worth 2 marks, thinking there's more.
 
What has the amplitude decayed to when the ball reaches it's peak after the first bounce? Unless you know some differential calculus, you will have to rely on a graph...
 

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