How Does Stickiness Influence Static Friction?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between stickiness and static friction, particularly whether stickiness is accounted for in the coefficient of static friction (μ) or if a separate "coefficient of stickiness" should be considered. Participants explore the implications of stickiness in practical scenarios, such as using adhesive tape on surfaces, and the significance of the area of contact in relation to static friction.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether stickiness is integrated into the coefficient of static friction (μ) or if a separate coefficient should be used in calculations.
  • There is a suggestion that increasing the coefficients of friction could compensate for stickiness, although some participants note they have not encountered a specific coefficient of stickiness in their studies.
  • A participant mentions that the simple model of static friction does not apply to adhesive tape, which can adhere even when the normal force (N) is zero or negative.
  • Questions arise regarding the conditions under which the normal force (N) could be zero or negative, with participants seeking clarification on the concept of negative compression.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the physics terminology and concepts, particularly regarding the normal force and its implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express uncertainty about the role of stickiness in static friction and whether it requires a separate coefficient. There is no consensus on the implications of negative normal force or the scenarios in which it might occur.

Contextual Notes

Participants demonstrate varying levels of understanding of the concepts discussed, particularly regarding the normal force and its definitions. There are unresolved questions about the application of these concepts to real-world scenarios involving stickiness and static friction.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in the mechanics of friction, adhesive materials, and the theoretical underpinnings of force interactions may find this discussion relevant.

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is "stickyness" part of the static friction? is it already integrated in coefficient of static friction μ or there is some special case where you put "coefficient of stickyness" in formula μ*N when things get sticky? I imagine peace of tape on some flat, relatively smooth surface. you have to pull it with relatively high amount of force in order to set it in linear motion. I suppouse area of that peace of tape also has some significance by means larger the peace of tape is larger the static friction would be?
 
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LLT71 said:
is "stickyness" part of the static friction? is it already integrated in coefficient of static friction μ or there is some special case where you put "coefficient of stickyness" in formula μ*N when things get sticky? I imagine peace of tape on some flat, relatively smooth surface. you have to pull it with relatively high amount of force in order to set it in linear motion. I suppouse area of that peace of tape also has some significance by means larger the peace of tape is larger the static friction would be?

I believe that you could just increase the coefficients of friction (static or otherwise) to compensate for the "stickyness". I have not yet run into coefficients of stickyness in my studies. Just coefficients of friction. Are you working on anything specific, or just curious.
 
LLT71 said:
is "stickyness" part of the static friction? is it already integrated in coefficient of static friction μ or there is some special case where you put "coefficient of stickyness" in formula μ*N when things get sticky?
That simple model doesn't really apply to adhesive tape, which can stick even when N=0 or even N<0.
 
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maughanster said:
I believe that you could just increase the coefficients of friction (static or otherwise) to compensate for the "stickyness". I have not yet run into coefficients of stickyness in my studies. Just coefficients of friction. Are you working on anything specific, or just curious.

just curious :D I had the same idea about compensation for example that miu can be much grater than one.

A.T. said:
That simple model doesn't really apply to adhesive tape, which can stick even when N=0 or even N<0.

could you explain me a bit about that N=0 and N<0 cases, I am just curious, and how N can be less than zero? thanks!
 
LLT71 said:
yes and no... cause I don't get in which scenario is N<0 :S
Did you read the link I gave you?

"The normal force is defined as the net force compressing two parallel surfaces together;..."

What does negative compression mean?
 
A.T. said:
Did you read the link I gave you?

"The normal force is defined as the net force compressing two parallel surfaces together;..."

What does negative compression mean?
sorry I have very poor physics knowledge
 
LLT71 said:
sorry I have very poor physics knowledge
Do you understand what "compressing" or "pressing" means? What is the opposite of that?
 

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