How does the law of conservation apply under these condition

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The discussion revolves around the application of the law of conservation of energy in a scenario involving a person swinging from a rope after stepping off a building. The problem includes specific parameters such as mass, height, and the conditions of motion, while questioning the accuracy of the equations used in the context of circular motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the conservation of energy principles, questioning the relevance of centripetal acceleration and the appropriateness of the equations used. There is also a discussion about the implications of setting initial and final heights equal in the energy equations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the application of conservation laws and the validity of the equations presented. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of conservation of energy, while questions about the assumptions and conditions of the problem remain open for exploration.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the assumptions of ignoring air resistance and elasticity in the rope, which may impact the application of conservation laws. There is also a focus on the interpretation of the problem statement regarding height at the point of release.

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A person of 60 kg is holding on a rope of 3m while standing on a the ledge of a building of height 7m. The rope is fixed to a point at roughly eye level 3 m from ledge. The person walks off the building and is swung in a vertical circle. If the person let's go at approximately the same height he starts (C), what is the tangential speed at this point given that the distance from (C) and the ground is 6.5m. Assume no air resistance, no elasticity in rope

Relevant equations:
Ek=(mv^2)/2
Eg=mgh
c=2∏r
v=d/t

The attempt at a solution for releasing rope at (C):
Energy before = Energy after
Ek+Eg=Ek'+Eg'
Ek=0 so,
Eg=Ek'+Eg'
Ek'=Eg-Eg'
(mv^2)/2=mg(h-h')
v=√[2g(h-h')]
=√2x9.8(7-6.5)
=3.1m/s


Are these equations accurate under these conditions or centripetal acceleration missing?
Also, what equations are necessary to deal with changing speed in circular motion?
 
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Law of conservation of what quantity?

Physics has a bunch of conservation laws.
 
Dr. Courtney said:
Law of conservation of what quantity?

Physics has a bunch of conservation laws.
Can you not read what I wrote beneath that part?
 
Henrybar said:
(mv^2)/2=mg(h-h')
v=√[2g(h-h')]
=√2x9.8(7-6.5)
=3.1m/s

That was OK except the problem statement says...

..the person let's go at approximately the same height he starts (C),

Why not set h=h' ?
 
Henrybar said:
Can you not read what I wrote beneath that part?

How successful do expect to be in college if you speak to faculty that way?
 
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Henrybar said:
Are these equations accurate under these conditions or centripetal acceleration missing?
Also, what equations are necessary to deal with changing speed in circular motion?

The equations you used are just fine for this purpose. The problem says to ignore air resistance so there is no loss of energy. Therefore you can apply conservation of energy and equate the change in KE to the change in PE.
 

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