How Does Touch Switch Surface Area Affect Capacitance?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of touch switch surface area on capacitance, particularly in the context of a modified touch lamp that only functions properly for some users. Participants explore the implications of increased surface area on the device's performance and safety considerations related to electrical modifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that increasing the surface area of the touch switch may result in a smaller percentage change in capacitance when touched, potentially affecting functionality.
  • Another participant raises safety concerns regarding modifications to devices connected to AC mains, suggesting that changes could bypass built-in safety features.
  • There are inquiries about sourcing appropriate touch switches, with suggestions for specific retailers and warnings about the dangers of improper modifications.
  • One participant proposes the idea of redesigning the touchpad to maintain a larger visual area while reducing the actual capacitive area to improve functionality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the implications of increased surface area on capacitance and safety. There is no consensus on the best approach to resolve the issues raised, and multiple viewpoints remain regarding the design and sourcing of touch switches.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention potential safety risks and the need for leakage checks, indicating that the modifications could affect the overall safety of the device. There are also references to the availability of components in specific regions, which may limit options for some users.

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Hi,

I've taken apart a touch lamp and remodelled it with my own design. The problem is that now it only works with 50% of the people who use it.

The surface area of the switch is much larger than before. Is it a case of replacing a resistor or is there some fundamental problem to having the switching surface too large?

Thanks
 
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Does your unit connect to the AC mains circuits of your house?
If so, the changes you made could make this dangerous and kill somebody.

They do make touch switches that are designed to be connected to random metal objects.
I might suggest you buy one of these.
 
Hi,

Yes it is connected to the mains but the live wires are not remotely near the metal being touched.

I've looked for switches on their own but have had no luck. Searched Maplins and the net but the only things I've found are circuit diagrams. Do you know where I can find these switches on their own?

Thanks
 
I don't know about touch switches, but if you are in the UK (you mentioned maplins) these guys are great for buying parts in hobby quantities and will send you a catalogue.
http://cpc.farnell.com/
 
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I'd do a leakage check on your plate to make sure that it is safe.
Systems are tested as a whole and changing one could inadvertently bypass some of the safety features built in.

You might find some touch switches in a home center.
They had a large rack of different kinds in the Home Depot (USA) I was in the other day.
 
Jso said:
Hi,

I've taken apart a touch lamp and remodelled it with my own design. The problem is that now it only works with 50% of the people who use it.

The surface area of the switch is much larger than before. Is it a case of replacing a resistor or is there some fundamental problem to having the switching surface too large?

Thanks

Sounds like you made the plate area larger, which makes the percentage change in capacitance when touched smaller. The bigger the initial capacitance, the smaller the change in capacitance you will get when it is touched. Can you remodel it one more time, and use a smaller area touchpad? Maybe make it look visually big, but only the middle part of it is actually the capacitor area...
 

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