How Does Voltage Relate to Resistance and Power Dissipation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between voltage, resistance, and power dissipation in electrical circuits. Participants explore definitions, implications of resistance on power dissipation, and the behavior of circuits under varying conditions. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and practical examples.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how voltage can remain constant when current changes due to resistance, citing the definition of a volt as the potential difference when one ampere dissipates one watt of power.
  • Another participant calculates power dissipation in a circuit with varying resistance and current, suggesting that increasing resistance leads to lower power dissipation.
  • Some participants draw analogies between voltage and pressure to simplify the concept.
  • A participant references an external source, Hyperphysics, as a better explanation of the topic than Wikipedia.
  • One participant discusses the analogy of pressure in an engine to illustrate concepts of resistance and force, although it diverges from the electrical context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of resistance on voltage and power dissipation, with no consensus reached on the fundamental questions raised. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between voltage, current, and resistance.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the complexity of the definitions and relationships involved, indicating that assumptions about ideal conditions (like superconductors) may not hold in practical scenarios. There is also mention of the dependence on specific circuit configurations.

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Wikipedia defines the volt as "The volt is defined as the potential difference across a conductor when a current of one ampere dissipates one watt of power."

Doesn't resistance always determine the dissipation of power? If you were to have a superconductor with no resistance then the current would flow but no energy would be dissipated. Does that mean there's no voltage even one terminal is charged differently to the other?

I don't understand how dissipation of energy comes into the definition of the volt seeing as the dissipation of energy would vary depending on the resistance of the conductor while the potential difference between the two points would remain the same.

If I had a circuit with a 7 volt battery. The resistance of the circuit is 1 ohm. There is a current of 7 amps flowing throughout the circuit which is dissipating 7 watts. Let's say I raise the resistance of the circuit to 2 ohms so there is a current of 3.5 amps flowing. Would this circuit still dissipate 7 amps due to the increased resistance?

Anyhow in this case I changed the amount of amps but the voltage remained the same. If a volt is defined as the potential difference when 1 amp dissipates 1 watt how can the voltage remain the same when I alter the current due to resistance?
 
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Mr_Bojingles said:
If I had a circuit with a 7 volt battery. The resistance of the circuit is 1 ohm. There is a current of 7 amps flowing throughout the circuit which is dissipating 7 watts. Let's say I raise the resistance of the circuit to 2 ohms so there is a current of 3.5 amps flowing. Would this circuit still dissipate 7 amps due to the increased resistance?

Ok firstly, in the series circuit you describe we would have
P=IV=7A*7V = 49Watts of power being dissipated

If you double the resistance, and the voltage remains at 7V, then sure, there would be 3.5A of current.
This of course means that less power is being dissipated,
P=IV=24.5Watts.


The power loss increases as the square of the current (Power can be re-written as P = I^2R) - which is why we have transmission lines in the hundreds of kV :smile:


From the wikipedia article on 'Volt':
Definition
The volt is defined as the potential difference across a conductor when a current of one ampere dissipates one watt of power.

This is just basically saying Ohm's law
In case one above, we had 7Amps dissipating into 49Watts.
If we want one 'Wikipedia Volt' to be when one Amp dissipates to one Watt, we'd need 7 of these Volts to dissipate 7 Amps into 49 Watts
 
de volt is simular to de pressure. I like to keep it simple.
 
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Mr_Bojingles said:
Wikipedia defines the volt as "The volt is defined as the potential difference across a conductor when a current of one ampere dissipates one watt of power."

Doesn't resistance always determine the dissipation of power? If you were to have a superconductor with no resistance then the current would flow but no energy would be dissipated. Does that mean there's no voltage even one terminal is charged differently to the other?

I don't understand how dissipation of energy comes into the definition of the volt seeing as the dissipation of energy would vary depending on the resistance of the conductor while the potential difference between the two points would remain the same.

If I had a circuit with a 7 volt battery. The resistance of the circuit is 1 ohm. There is a current of 7 amps flowing throughout the circuit which is dissipating 7 watts. Let's say I raise the resistance of the circuit to 2 ohms so there is a current of 3.5 amps flowing. Would this circuit still dissipate 7 amps due to the increased resistance?

Anyhow in this case I changed the amount of amps but the voltage remained the same. If a volt is defined as the potential difference when 1 amp dissipates 1 watt how can the voltage remain the same when I alter the current due to resistance?
Using power = voltage * current (assuming DC), is one way of looking at it.

1 Volt = 1 J/C (joule/coulomb), i.e. a potential difference of 1 V would induce a change in energy of 1 Joule on 1 Coulomb of charge.

1 eV (electron volt) indicates the energy (1 eV or 1.602E-19 J) that a proton or electron would gain from passing across a potential of 1 volt.

And by all means, check out the Hyperphysics reference cited by stewartcs.
 
You know what i think. I think it is partly right that you are imagining the box and a person. Take a look at this: the resistance of air. When the engine is fired up, inside the engine will become a high pressure environment, whereareas the outside is a lower pressure environment than the inside of the engine. Therefore, it creates the opposite forces, and that's why when you see the afterburner of an aircraft is being fire, there are always a "skip" fire before it is fully being called "an afterburner". However, the thought of the fire pushes the inside of the engine is not wrong either. It is very logic that the fire burns every bit of particles of Oxygen just to make a leverage to be pushed away.
 

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