How Electric potential and potential difference work in batteries

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the manipulation of electric potential in batteries, specifically addressing the differences in voltage ratings among various batteries. Participants explore the relationship between battery design, electrode placement, and the materials used in the chemical reactions within batteries, while seeking a deeper understanding of the underlying physics rather than just the materials involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how electric potential is manipulated in batteries and why different batteries have varying voltage ratings, emphasizing a desire for a detailed explanation beyond material composition.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that electric potential and potential energy rely solely on position, suggesting that a battery's voltage remains constant regardless of the distance between electrodes in a fluid medium.
  • A suggestion is made to experimentally verify the relationship between electrode distance and voltage by measuring potential with a voltmeter on a longer battery setup.
  • A later reply provides details on the role of electrolytes in batteries, explaining that the dissociation of materials into ions affects their ability to carry charge, which can influence the battery's performance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between electrode distance and voltage, with some asserting that distance does not affect voltage in certain configurations, while others propose that it might. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the impact of electrode placement on voltage ratings.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the behavior of electric potential in different battery configurations and the specific conditions under which the claims are made, particularly concerning the role of distance between electrodes.

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How is electric potential manipulated in batteries? Why do some batteries have a rating of 1.5v and others have ratings of 1.25v? I'm not looking for the answer of "its the materials used in the chemical reaction" because I know that.WHAT DO THESE MATERIALS DO DIFFERENTLY TO THE PHYSICS OF THE BATTERY (charge, distance, work, etc. )? I've learned that electric potential and potential energy rely entirely on position. For example the formula from electric potential energy is F * d and force is (kQq)/d^2 meaning that potential energy is (kQq)/d. Does this mean that a battery that has its anodes and cathodes closer together has a higher voltage rating compared to one is very long?

Please answer in detail and again I don't want the "it's the materials used in the chemical reaction" answer to this question. That's not what I'm looking for because I already know that.

Thanks for your help.
 
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hi htttp! :smile:
htttp said:
… electric potential and potential energy rely entirely on position.

no, that's wrong :redface:

a battery with two electrodes in a fluid will have the same voltage (electric potential difference) no matter how far apart the electrodes are
 
htttp said:
a battery that has its anodes and cathodes closer together has a higher voltage rating compared to one is very long?
Just try it yourself at home. Connect the terminals to conductors and make the battery long. Then measure the potential with a voltmeter
 
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Here's some detail:
htttp said:
WHAT DO THESE MATERIALS DO DIFFERENTLY TO THE PHYSICS OF THE BATTERY
The materials used in batteries are electrolytes(solid or liquid). You know They dissociate when dissolved, or in electric field. The ions thus formed carry charge to/from the electrodes. The capacity of carrying charge by ions varies with the material you have used to dissociate into ions. And also some materials dissociate quickly and some produce more ions.
 

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