How exactly does torque apply to gymnastics?

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The discussion revolves around the application of torque in gymnastics, particularly in movements such as somersaults, cartwheels, flips, and spins. Participants explore the relationship between torque, force, lever arms, and rotational dynamics in the context of gymnastic maneuvers.

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  • One participant states that torque is defined as force times the distance of the lever arm, suggesting that increased force or lever arm length results in greater torque, and questions how this applies to gymnastics.
  • Another participant argues that applying force to different body parts affects torque differently, noting that applying force to the head would create greater torque than applying it to the chest, but questions the realism of this scenario in gymnastics.
  • This participant also introduces the concept of rotational momentum, explaining that tucking in reduces rotational inertia and increases rotational speed, while spreading out has the opposite effect.
  • Another participant mentions that somersaults rely on the conservation of angular momentum, explaining how rotating arms in one direction causes the body to rotate in the opposite direction, maintaining a net change in angular momentum of zero.
  • Additionally, this participant notes that angular momentum can also be gained through interactions with surfaces like the floor or vaulting horse via friction.
  • A later reply draws parallels between linear and rotational motion equations, highlighting similarities between force and torque equations, as well as power equations.

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Participants express varying viewpoints on the application of torque and angular momentum in gymnastics, with no consensus reached on specific scenarios or interpretations of the concepts discussed.

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Some assumptions about the application of torque in gymnastics remain unaddressed, such as the specific conditions under which different forces are applied and the role of body positioning in torque generation.

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Well, if I have this down correctly, torque is equal to force times distance of the lever arm. The more force or the longer the lever arm, the more torque something has. If that is true, how can you apply that to gymnastics, mainly somersaults, cartwheels, flips, spins and the like?
 
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You can say that applying a given force someone's head will apply a greater torque and cause a greater rotational acceleration that applying it to, say, the chest, That, though, does not seem like a realistic scenario in gymnastics.

I think the more interesting case considers rotational momentum, which is rotational inertia multiplied by rotational speed. Since rotational inertia depends on mass distribution, "tucking in" while rolling reduces rotational inertia and so increases rotational speed (because rotational momentum is conserved). You spin faster when you curl up and slow down when you spread out.

I think I first considered this learning Aikido. When I want to stop a roll quickly, I uncurl and my rotational rotational reduces (and the floor applies an opposing torque to my arms and legs. Another aspect is that being tall provide a greater lever arm for an opponent and can be easier to know down.
 
Somersaults usually rely on conservation of angular momentum. For example by rotating your arms in one direction your body rotates in the other direction so the net change in angular momentum is zero.

But it's also possible to gain angular momentum by interacting with the floor or vaulting horse via friction.
 
If you are learning about forces and torques it might help to compare the equations for linear and rotational motion...

Force = mass * acceleration
Torque = moment of inertia * angular acceleration

Power = force * velocity
Power = torque * angular velocity

Can you see the similarity?
 

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