How far apart are two point charges....

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To determine the distance between two point charges of 75.0 nC that exert a force of 1.00 N on each other, Coulomb's Law is applied, leading to the equation F = k Q1Q2/r². The calculations reveal that the squared distance r² equals 5.0625e-7, and the square root of this value is needed to find r. There is confusion regarding the conversion of nano-Coulombs to Coulombs and the relationship between charge units, with clarifications provided on the definitions of nano and Coulomb. Ultimately, the focus remains on using Coulomb's Law to solve the original problem without needing to delve into the number of protons or electrons involved. The discussion emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the formula and understanding unit conversions.
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1. How far apart must two point charges of 75.0 nC be to have a force of 1.00 N between them?

Homework Equations

F = k Q1Q2/r2[/B]3. 1N = 9e10 * 75e-10 squared/r squared
r2= 9e10 * 75e-10 squared/1N
r2= 9*75*75e-10
r2= 5.0625e-7
r= square root of 5.0625 * square root of e-7

if this is right so far then i just have an
algebra issue, what is the square root of e-7? can it be e-3.5?, if so, what is the value of e-3.5?

 
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e-7 means 1x10^(-7) so you are right sqrt(e-7)= e-3,5
 
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snowjoe said:
1. How far apart must two point charges of 75.0 nC be to have a force of 1.00 N between them?

Homework Equations

F = k Q1Q2/r2[/B]3. 1N = 9e10 * 75e-10 squared/r squared
r2= 9e10 * 75e-10 squared/1N
r2= 9*75*75e-10
r2= 5.0625e-7
r= square root of 5.0625 * square root of e-7

if this is right so far then i just have an
algebra issue, what is the square root of e-7? can it be e-3.5?, if so, what is the value of e-3.5?
You also need to include the units for r .
 
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3. 1N = 9e10 * 75e-10 squared/r squared
Better check your value of k. And Q.
nano = 10-9, not 10-10.
 
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rude man, isn't an nC a C/e9? which gives nC as 1.6 * e (19-9) 10? value of k i am using 9 as approximation, good enough, k= 9.0 e9
 
snowjoe said:
rude man, isn't an nC a C/e9? which gives nC as 1.6 * e (19-9) 10? value of k i am using 9 as approximation, good enough, k= 9.0 e9
Where does 1.6 come from?
 
a Coulomb i take is 1.6 X e19 units of charge
 
i grow confuseder, this radius is in meters, no? yet i'mgetting values that are out of the realm of possibility. square the point charges, which are nC, which is on the order of e10, so squared, e20. multiply this by k, which is on the order of e9, getting e29, so the square root of this is the r? That still gives e14.5, in meters, pretty sure no force exists between these charges at several trillion meters. obviously I've gone awry, where?
 
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i grow confuseder, this radius is in meters, no? yet i'mgetting values that are out of the realm of possibility. square the point charges, which are nC, which is on the order of e10,
1 nC = 10-9 C. C (coulomb) is the unit of charge, you mix it with the elementary charge, which is 1.6 `10-19 C.
 
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snowjoe said:
a Coulomb i take is 1.6 X e19 units of charge
A single electron has a charge of -1.6×10-19 Coulombs .

A single proton has a charge of 1.6×10-19 Coulombs .

These values have nothing to do with your stated problem.
 
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then my problem is the relationship between electrons/protons and Coulombs. How would one calculate the number of e/p in a fraction of a Coulomb, such as one billionth, a nC?
 
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snowjoe said:
then my problem is the relationship between electrons/protons and Coulombs. How would one calculate the number of e/p in a fraction of a Coulomb, such as one billionth, a nC?
N protons have a total charge of N×(1.6×10-19)C .

So solve
N×(1.6×10-19)C = one billionth, a nC​
 
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SammyS said:
N protons have a total charge of N×(1.6×10-19)C .

So solve
N×(1.6×10-19)C = one billionth, a nC​
thank you.
 
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SammyS said:
N protons have a total charge of N×(1.6×10-19)C .

So solve
N×(1.6×10-19)C = one billionth, a nC​
so, a billionth of a Coulomb is 1.6e-10, and a billionth of the particles in a Coulomb is 6.25e-9?
 
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SammyS said:
N protons have a total charge of N×(1.6×10-19)C .

So solve
N×(1.6×10-19)C = one billionth, a nC​
N(1.6e-19)=e-9
N=e-9C/1.6e-19C = 6.25e9 = nC ??

then what is the flaw in calculating a nC by dividing C by n, as 1.6e19/e9 = 1.6e10
 
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snowjoe said:
N(1.6e-19)=e-9
N=e-9C/1.6e-19C = 6.25e9 = nC ??

then what is the flaw in calculating a nC by dividing C by n, as 1.6e19/e9 = 1.6e10
The question asks force between two point charges.

There is NO mention of how many electrons or how many protons are involved.

Use Coulomb's Law.
 
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Thanks, SS, But I'm asking about the math, where did i go wrong in calculating a nC by dividing 1.6e19 by e9?
 
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snowjoe said:
Thanks, SS, But I'm asking about the math, where did i go wrong in calculating a nC by dividing 1.6e19 by e9?
Forget the 1.6×10-19, 1.6×1019, etc. The charge of an electron has nothing to do with this.

nano is a prefix for metric units. nano means 10-9.

1 Coulomb is the basic unit of charge in the SI system of units. It is NOT the charge of an electron or proton.

1 nano-Coulomb is 1×109 Coulombs.
 
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is it not true that in a Coulomb there are 1.6 e19 units of charge, this unit of charge being the charge carried by one electron or proton?
 
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snowjoe said:
is it not true that in a Coulomb there are 1.6 e19 units of charge, this unit of charge being the charge carried by one electron or proton?
Yes that's true, but that fact is not needed anywhere in using Coulomb's Law.
 
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