How finite element analysis differs from mathematic derivation in beam bending?

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The discussion revolves around the differences between finite element analysis (FEA) and classical beam bending theory, particularly in the context of modeling beam tip deflection under various loading conditions. Participants explore how the number of elements, the choice of displacement functions, and loading conditions affect the results obtained from FEA compared to theoretical predictions.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that increasing the number of elements in a beam model leads to results that align more closely with classical beam bending theory, as the derivation involves integration.
  • Another participant notes that the impact of using more elements depends on whether the modeling is 1-D, 2-D, or 3-D, and mentions that 1-D beam elements are often based on simple beam bending theory.
  • There is a question regarding the meaning of "quadratic or cubic displacement function," with some uncertainty about whether this refers to interpolation functions or material properties.
  • A participant raises the possibility of better agreement with theoretical results when using cubic displacement functions compared to linear ones, but questions what can be inferred from such findings.
  • Concerns are expressed about the validity of inferences drawn from modeling plastic deformation in a 1-D beam model, as boundary conditions and geometry can significantly influence the results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of using different displacement functions and the effects of increasing the number of elements. There is no consensus on how these factors definitively affect the agreement between FEA results and classical theory.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the relationship between element count, displacement functions, and theoretical results, as well as the complexities introduced by material properties and boundary conditions.

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So I just started learning to use the finite element package abaqus for modelling beam tip deflection under different loading conditions. I think I understand the theory behind it but was wondering if some one could answer a few questions about it to further my understanding.

Firstly, how do more elements in a simple beam with linear displacement deformation change the results compared to the classical beam bending theory results?

secondly, what would be the difference if i used a quadratic or cubic displacement function defining the deformation behaviour compared to the bending theory calculations while also increasing the number of elements?

Lastly, what would happen if i used a uniformly distributed load for the above cases?

I believe that more elements leads to closer agreement between theory and computer results as the derivation is a integral. however, I am not sure how the different deformation distributions (cubic and quadratic) affect the agreement from the theoretical results. Or for that matter how uniformly distributed loads are not perfectly represented by the modelling either.

These were just some points in the conceptual part of the book that like always have no direct answer. My beam bending theory has always been a little bit sketch, and I thought this would be a good time to rectify that.
 
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olski1 said:
Firstly, how do more elements in a simple beam with linear displacement deformation change the results compared to the classical beam bending theory results?

It depends on if you're talking about 1-D, 2-D, or 3-D modeling. Are you just talking about "beam elements" which are geometrically just a line? Each element will give you results at the nodes, and then interpolated results between the nodes. The more nodes, the less interpolation has to be done. I think for most FEA codes the 1-D beam element is basically an implementation of simple beam bending theory.

olski1 said:
secondly, what would be the difference if i used a quadratic or cubic displacement function defining the deformation behaviour compared to the bending theory calculations while also increasing the number of elements?

I'm not sure what you mean by "quadratic or cubic displacement function," are you referring to the interpolation function in the element, or something else? Nonlinear material properties?
 
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Mech_Engineer said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "quadratic or cubic displacement function," are you referring to the interpolation function in the element, or something else? Nonlinear material properties?

I suppose I mean the deformation properties of materials. For example, if I had results from computer modelling that showed better agreement with the theoretical results when using cubic displacement function over linear for 5 and 10 elements over a 1m beam what could I infer from that?
 
It's possible to model plastic deformation of a model using a material's a full stress-strain curve in most FEA codes. I'm not sure you can "infer" anything useful from plastic deformation of a 1-D beam model through; the stresses calculated will be off from the real case where geometry and how the beam is attached at the boundary conditions will widely affect the solution.
 

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