How Is Heat Calculated from Friction Over Time?

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The discussion centers on calculating the heat generated by friction over time, particularly in scenarios involving constant mass and applied forces. Participants explore theoretical models, practical implications, and the relationship between work done by friction and heat generation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the heat generated by friction can be calculated as the work done by friction, expressed as F*v, where F is the applied force and v is the velocity.
  • Another participant questions whether an object being pulled with friction stronger than the applied force generates heat, even if there is no movement.
  • Some participants discuss the energy expended by muscles when exerting a force without movement, suggesting that this energy may not contribute to heating the object or surface.
  • There is a distinction made between theoretical and practical heating, with one participant asserting that while theoretically no heat is generated in a static state, practically some heat may still occur due to deformation.
  • Further clarification is provided that while compression may generate heat, once an object is left in a static state, it does not continue to generate heat unless there is a change in volume.
  • One participant asserts that the kinetic energy lost due to friction is essentially converted into heat energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which heat is generated by friction, particularly in static versus dynamic scenarios. There is no consensus on the implications of energy expenditure in static situations, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of heat generation in these contexts.

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Limitations include assumptions about constant mass and the nature of forces involved. The discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding energy dissipation in static versus dynamic states.

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How does one calculate the heat generated by a force of friction with respect to time?

Let's stick with constant mass and assume that we know everything but heat.


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All of the energy dissipated by friction can generally being dissipated thermally --> i.e. through heat.
Calculate the work done by friction, and there it is.
 
MrJingles said:
How does one calculate the heat generated by a force of friction with respect to time?Let's stick with constant mass and assume that we know everything but heat.

A very simple model: a mass m, moving at constant velocity v, on a level surface, with an applied constant force F and kinetic friction f acting in the opposite direction:

In this case the power of the applied force is F.v (which here is just F*v) and, by conservation of energy, the only energy transfer is to the internal energy of the block/floor. Hence the 'heat generated' with repect to time is just F*v - in Watts.

I think this is correct. Hope this helps. Or is it too simple a model?
 
lzkelley said:
All of the energy dissipated by friction can generally being dissipated thermally --> i.e. through heat.
Calculate the work done by friction, and there it is.

If you're pulling an object but the friction of the floor is stronger than you (hence, no movement -> no work), does the object/floor still warm up a little bit?

If it doesn't, where is the energy (which you're consuming in the futile effort of pulling the object) dissipated?
 
Domenicaccio said:
If you're pulling an object but the friction of the floor is stronger than you (hence, no movement -> no work), does the object/floor still warm up a little bit?

If it doesn't, where is the energy (which you're consuming in the futile effort of pulling the object) dissipated?
You might well break into a sweat due to your exertion. That should answer your question. :smile:
 
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Domenicaccio said:
If you're pulling an object but the friction of the floor is stronger than you (hence, no movement -> no work), does the object/floor still warm up a little bit?

If it doesn't, where is the energy (which you're consuming in the futile effort of pulling the object) dissipated?
Biochemical energy is expended just clenching muscles. A compressed spring, on the other hand, doesn't expend energy to exert a static force. So you could say that your energy efficiency is zero when applying a static force.
 
russ_watters said:
Biochemical energy is expended just clenching muscles. A compressed spring, on the other hand, doesn't expend energy to exert a static force. So you could say that your energy efficiency is zero when applying a static force.

So there is no minimal heating of the object/floor in that case?
 
Domenicaccio said:
So there is no minimal heating of the object/floor in that case?

Theoretically: No. Practically: Yes. When a force is exerted onto smt anh presses it, it may deforms and that gives off heat.
 
Ehh, sort of. It may generate heat while it is being compressed, but once compressed and left in a static state, it will generate no more heat.
 
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russ_watters said:
Ehh, sort of. It may generate heat while it is being compressed, but once compressed and left in a static state, it will generate no more heat.

Clear, thanks!

It makes sense, otherwise I suppose that any object under some sort of tension/compression (even that of its own weight) would give off heat and therefore slowly lose energy...
 
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"It makes sense, otherwise I suppose that any object under some sort of tension/compression (even that of its own weight) would give off heat and therefore slowly lose energy..."

errr... no, unless the volume is changing in which case yes. But basically the answer to the OP's question is that the kinetic energy lost due to friction is basically the heat energy
 

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