How is the equation for Power [U'] derived?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the equation for power in the context of electrical energy, specifically starting from the equation U = QV. Participants are exploring how the derivative of this equation relates to power, and there are questions regarding the treatment of charge as a constant.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the power equation from U = QV and are questioning the treatment of Q as a constant. There are discussions about the implications of voltage being constant and how that affects the derivation.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between power and the flow of charge, noting that power is the rate of work done. There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and implications of the variables involved, but no consensus has been reached on the derivation itself.

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There is mention of a potential misunderstanding regarding the nature of Q, with some participants suggesting it may not be treated as a constant in this context. The discussion also touches on the distinction between energy acquired by a charge and power dissipated in a resistance.

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Homework Statement



While going through a basic electrical engineering overview, I came across the equation U = QV, which is defined to be electrical energy. For Power, which is explained in the next section, P is basically the derivative of U = QV. I tried following the derivation myself, but for some reason, what I got was different from the book.


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U= QV

q = -1.6x10^-19 Coulombs ( basically a constant)

The derivative of this turned out to be d/dt = V*d[Q]/dt. My question is HOW.

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P = d/dt = Q * d[v]/dt; treated Q as a constant, but this doesn't line up. My Calculus must be rusty. Anyway, the full statement from the book:

P = U'= V*Q' = VI= v^2/R = I^2*R

-Thanks.
 
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Ognerok said:

Homework Statement



While going through a basic electrical engineering overview, I came across the equation U = QV, which is defined to be electrical energy. For Power, which is explained in the next section, P is basically the derivative of U = QV. I tried following the derivation myself, but for some reason, what I got was different from the book.



P = d/dt = Q * d[v]/dt; treated Q as a constant, but this doesn't line up. My Calculus must be rusty. Anyway, the full statement from the book:

P = U'= V*Q' = VI= v^2/R = I^2*R

-Thanks.

Power is the rate of work done against the opposition to the flow of charges in the conductor. While doing so the voltage across the conductor is constant.
So P = U' = V*dQ/dt.
 
rl.bhat said:
Power is the rate of work done against the opposition to the flow of charges in the conductor. While doing so the voltage across the conductor is constant.
So P = U' = V*dQ/dt.


That makes more sense. But...I thought Q itself was just a constant, you know, an electron's charge...it must be Q in the sense that Q = u/V? :)
 
Ognerok said:
That makes more sense. But...I thought Q itself was just a constant, you know, an electron's charge...it must be Q in the sense that Q = u/V? :)
It is different. It is the energy acquired by a charge when it is accelerated the a potential difference V. It is nothing to do with the power dissipated in a resistance.
 

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