How is Torque Calculated in Equilibrium Problems?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of torque in equilibrium problems, specifically focusing on a scenario involving forces and their moments about a point. Participants explore the application of torque equations and the interpretation of symbols used in the context of a problem from a civil engineering exam.

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  • One participant questions how a specific torque equation was derived, referencing a solution that includes the terms $$600(200)-R_{AH} (600) = 0$$.
  • Another participant explains that the third equilibrium condition states the sum of torques must be zero and provides a detailed breakdown of the torques involved, including the torque from a vertical force and the corresponding horizontal force component.
  • There is a discussion about the choice of symbols, particularly the use of $R_{AH}$ for a horizontal force component at point A, with some participants expressing confusion over the notation and its implications for the torque calculation.
  • Participants note that the torque calculation may have been done with respect to point C rather than point A, leading to further questions about the correctness of the symbols used in the original problem.

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Participants express uncertainty about the notation and the derivation of the torque equation. There is no consensus on whether the symbols used are appropriate or if the calculations were performed correctly.

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Participants highlight potential confusion stemming from the choice of symbols and the reference point for torque calculations, indicating that assumptions about the direction and point of application of forces may not be clearly defined.

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I've seen someone's solution in which they did the following:
$$600(200)-R_{AH} (600) = 0$$

How did they arrive at that conclusion by taking the moment about $A$?
 

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Rido12 said:
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I've seen someone's solution in which they did the following:
$$600(200)-R_{AH} (600) = 0$$

How did they arrive at that conclusion by taking the moment about $A$?

Hey Rido! (Wave)

The third equilibrium condition is that the sum of the torques must be zero.

The torque of the vertical 600 N force with respect to A is
$$+600\text{ N} \cdot \frac{400\text{ mm}}{2} = +600\text{ N} \cdot 200\text{ mm}\tag 1$$
Apparently clockwise has been chosen to be positive, so this torque is positive.

In A and C there will be vertical force components and horizontal force components.
The vertical force components have a lever-arm of zero with respect to A, so the corresponding torques are zero.
The horizontal force component at A also has a lever-arm of zero.
So that leaves only the horizontal force component at C.

Let's use the symbol $H_C$ for the horizontal force component at C, which is pointing to the right.
Then the corresponding torque is:
$$-H_C \cdot (300 \text{ mm} + 300 \text{ mm}) = -H_C \cdot 600\text{ mm} \tag 2$$
This is negative, since it would make the structure turn counter clockwise.

So the total sum of torques is (1) and (2) together:
$${}_+^\curvearrowright\sum T_A = +600\text{ N} \cdot 200\text{ mm} - H_C \cdot 600\text{ mm}$$

Btw, I don't know why the symbol $R_{AH}$ was chosen for $H_C$.
 
Thanks ILS! (Wave)

http://skule.ca/courses/exams/custom/20099/CIV102_2009__1329360871.pdf

The reason why I posted it was because the above link confused me. (See #2). I guess they used the wrong letter? (Presumably my 80yo+ prof)
 
Rido12 said:
Thanks ILS! (Wave)

http://skule.ca/courses/exams/custom/20099/CIV102_2009__1329360871.pdf

The reason why I posted it was because the above link confused me. (See #2). I guess they used the wrong letter? (Presumably my 80yo+ prof)

From your notes I can see that $R_{AH}$ is the force at $A$ that is $H$orizontal.
I'm guessing that he picked the letter $R$ for $R$eactive force.

Either way, it means the torque was calculated with respect to $C$ and not with respect to $A$. :eek:
Moreover, the direction of $R_{AH}$ has been picked to point to the left.
 

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