What is the torque output by this gearbox?

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In summary, the author of this article suggests that you should calculate the torque of the stationary cage shaft or carrier of the Planet gears by averaging the torques of the Sun and Ring gears.
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We are using the following gear in the reverse gear mode (brake applied to the cage shaft and engine is driving the ring gear) and are traveling at 1 m/s. The wheel radius is 0.2 m. What is the torque that the engine needs to provide 2kW of power? Also, what is the torque in the wheels?
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## v = \omega r ##
Hi,

I was just working through this gearbox problem and the answer key has different results to mine. I thought that I should show my working to see where the error is on their part or mine?

This is the gear box (for reference, ## N_s = 32 ##, ## N_p = 16 ##, and ## N_r = 64 ##)

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My attempt:
For the reverse gear operation (brake applied to the cage shaft and engine is driving the ring gear), I found that the ratio of:
$$ \frac{\omega_{out}}{\omega_{in}} = \frac{\omega_s}{\omega_r} = -2 $$

Therefore, ## v = \omega_{s} r =1 ## which yields ## \omega_s = 5 ## rad/s. Therefore, we get ## \omega_r = -2.5 ## rad/s. We also assume that the gear train is 100% efficient and therefore:
$$ P_{s} = 2000 = T_s \omega_s \Rightarrow T_s = 400 Nm $$

Once again, by using power conservation:
$$ T_r \omega_r = T_s \omega_s \Rightarrow T_r = T_s \frac{\omega_s}{\omega_r} = -2T_s = (-) 800 Nm $$

The answer has the same answer for the torque of the wheels, but then has ## |T_r| = 200 Nm ##. Have they just flipped the fraction the wrong way round or have I made the error. I keep trying to rework through the problem and I am getting the same answer (800)...

Also, just one more follow up question. Given that the gearbox is in equilibrium (I think this is an assumption we make), would I do the following if we were asked to find the torque provided by the brake?
$$ T_{brake} + T_r + T_s = 0 \Rightarrow T_{brake} = 800 - 200 = 600 Nm $$

Thank you. Any help is greatly appreciated
 
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Your calculations are correct.
The total torque (Sun shaft) imposed by the load of 2 KW (100% efficiency) on the wheels going in reverse should be 400 N-m.
Considering two driving wheels, that would be 200 N-m each.

Based on the above, the input torque (Ring shaft) imposed by the engine generating 2 KW, while turning at 2.5 rad/s, should be 800 N-m.

I believe that the diagram is incorrect, because generally the transmissions of vehicles increase torque and reduce angular velocity from the engine to the wheels.
For example, the reverse gear of a Chevrolet Corvette has a ratio of -3.38:1, which means that the engine makes 3.38 revolutions for every revolution of the transmission's output.

Another hint is the angular velocity of the engine: 2.5 rad/s equals 24 rpm, which is way too low for an engine to properly idle.
If, in effect, the locations of words "Engine" and "Wheel drive" are reversed in the diagram, the engine could be rotating at a more practical 96 rpm while delivering a torque of 200 N-m via the Sun drive instead.

The brake torque supported by the stationary cage shaft or carrier of the Planet gears should be the average of Sun's and Ring's torques: 600 N-m if the diagram is correct, 300 N-m if incorrect.
 
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@Lnewqban - thank you very much for your reply!

Lnewqban said:
Your calculations are correct.
The total torque (Sun shaft) imposed by the load of 2 KW (100% efficiency) on the wheels going in reverse should be 400 N-m.
Considering two driving wheels, that would be 200 N-m each.

Based on the above, the input torque (Ring shaft) imposed by the engine generating 2 KW, while turning at 2.5 rad/s, should be 800 N-m.

Okay that is good to hear.

Lnewqban said:
I believe that the diagram is incorrect, because generally the transmissions of vehicles increase torque and reduce angular velocity from the engine to the wheels.
For example, the reverse gear of a Chevrolet Corvette has a ratio of -3.38:1, which means that the engine makes 3.38 revolutions for every revolution of the transmission's output.
Yes, I'm not sure whether the physical implications or the numbers were thought about when writing this problem...

Just to confirm so I understand the ratio the "speed/velocity ratio": a ratio of ## \omega_{engine} : \omega_{output} ##? That would line up with your qualitative analysis of the reverse gear operation. I only ask as these questions tend to quote lots of ratios and I sometimes get confused what is being compared

Lnewqban said:
The brake torque supported by the stationary cage shaft or carrier of the Planet gears should be the average of Sun's and Ring's torques: 600 N-m if the diagram is correct, 300 N-m if incorrect.
Thank you for confirming this.
 
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You are welcome. :smile:

These are the equations to calculate the torque of the stationary cage shaft or carrier of the Planet gears:

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This article, from which I have copied the above equations, could help you with future epicyclic gears problems:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicyclic_gearing#Gear_ratio_of_standard_epicyclic_gearing

The 3.38:1 notation that I showed is a typical way to express the driven/drive gear ratio, which is a geometrical magnitude, as only considers the number of teeth of each gear combination in a transmission or gearbox.
 
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1. What is torque?

Torque is a measure of the force that causes an object to rotate around an axis. It is typically measured in units of newton-meters (N*m) or pound-feet (lb*ft).

2. How is torque output determined?

The torque output of a gearbox is determined by multiplying the force applied to the input shaft by the radius of the output shaft. This is known as the lever arm method and is represented by the equation T = F * r, where T is torque, F is force, and r is radius.

3. What factors affect torque output in a gearbox?

The main factors that affect torque output in a gearbox include the gear ratio, the number of teeth on the gears, and the input speed. A higher gear ratio and more teeth on the gears will result in a higher torque output, while a higher input speed will decrease the torque output.

4. Can torque output be increased?

Yes, torque output can be increased by using a gearbox with a higher gear ratio or by increasing the input force. However, it is important to note that there is a limit to how much torque a gearbox can handle before it becomes damaged.

5. How does torque output affect the performance of a machine?

Torque output is a crucial factor in determining the performance of a machine. It is directly related to the amount of force that can be applied to a load, which affects the speed and power of the machine. A higher torque output allows a machine to perform tasks more quickly and efficiently.

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