How Many Integer Solutions Exist for the Given Turkish Maths Olympiad Equation?

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The discussion revolves around finding the integer solutions for the equation x3 - y3 = 2y2 + 1, as posed in a Turkish mathematics Olympiad. Participants explore various approaches to determine how many integer pairs (x, y) satisfy this equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the original equation and seeks to find integer solutions.
  • Another participant suggests that one of the answer choices indicates an infinite number of solutions.
  • A participant claims that the set of solutions includes specific pairs, indicating that the answer cannot be one of the lower options.
  • Further analysis is provided by a participant who proposes a substitution method (x = y + a) to derive a polynomial equation and investigates the conditions for real solutions.
  • Through numerical investigation, certain integer values for "a" are identified as potentially yielding real solutions, leading to the discovery of specific integer pairs (1, 0) and (-2, -3).
  • Another value of "a" is examined, which does not yield integer solutions, while a different value leads to another integer solution (1, -2).
  • A summary is provided that lists three integer solution pairs, suggesting a total of three solutions to the original equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the total number of integer solutions, with some suggesting three solutions while others propose the possibility of infinite solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact count of solutions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of the solutions and the conditions under which they exist, but these assumptions are not universally agreed upon. The exploration of the polynomial derived from the substitution method introduces additional complexity that is not fully resolved.

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from my turkish maths olympiads book

original question
antalya matematik olimpiyatlarından said:
x^3 - y^3 = 2.(y)^2 + 1 denkleminin tamsayılarda kaç çözümü vardır?(verilen denklemi sağlayan tam sayı çözümlerini bulunuz)
A) 4 B) 3 C) 2 D) 1 E) Sonsuz çoklukta

in addition to.. link
http://www.akdeniz.edu.tr/fenedebiyat/math/olimpiyat/2006a.pdf
question 19
^=exponent


we are looking for integer solutions (x, y)
x^3 - y^3 = 2.(y)^2 + 1
Find how many integer solutions there are to given equation that satisfy the given condition.
 
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incidentally ,choise 5 :E) Sonsuz çoklukta
meaning: infinite
 
The set of solutions is a superset of {(1, 0), (-2, -3)}, which shows that it's not D.
 
CRGreathouse said:
The set of solutions is a superset of {(1, 0), (-2, -3)}, which shows that it's not D.
Yes CRG, and there's one more solution, making answer B the correct one.

Here's my rough solution.

Let x=(y+a) for some integer "a".

Then x^3 - y^3 = 3a y^2 + 3a^2 y + a^3

3a y^2 + 3a^2 y + a^3 = 2y^2 + 1 implies that,

(3a-2) y^2 + 3a^2 y + a^3-1 = 0 *

We want integer solutions, but clearly there can be no integer solutions if there are no real solutions. So investigate this first.

Reals solutions to * imply that 9a^4 >= 4(3a-2)(a^3-1), which re-arranges to

9a^4 >= 12a^4 - 8a^3 - 12a + 8

3a^4 <= 8a^3 + 12a - 8

Since "a" must be integer we can solve the above inequality numerically or by trial and error and find that a = 1 or 2 or 3 are the only possible values that can give rise to real solutions to *.

Investigate a=1.

y^2 + 3y + 0 = 0 has solutions y=0 and y=-3, giving two solutions (x,y) = (1,0) and (-2,-3)

Investigate a=2

4y^2 + 12y + 7 = 0

D = 12^2 - 4*4*7 = 32, is not perfect square so there are no rational (and hence no integer) solutions.Investigate a=3

7y^2 + 27y + 26 = 0

D = 27^2 - 28*26 = 1, so there are rational and therefore perhaps integer solutions. Check.

y = (-27 +/- 1)/14, which gives one integer solution, y=-2 and hence (x,y) = (1,-2) is also part of the solution set.

Summary. There are 3 integer_pair solutions to the original equation. (x,y) = (-2,-3), (1,0) and (1,-2).
 
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