How much charge inside a Gaussian surface?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the charge enclosed within a Gaussian surface based on the electric field measurements across different sides of a closed box. The problem involves understanding electric flux and its relation to charge using Gauss's law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of electric flux for various sides of the box, questioning the assumptions made regarding the uniformity of the electric field and the angles involved in the flux calculations.

Discussion Status

Several participants have offered insights into the calculations, with some identifying potential errors in the original poster's approach. There is ongoing exploration of the correct application of the flux equation, particularly concerning the non-uniform electric field on certain sides of the box.

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Participants note the absence of a figure that is crucial for visualizing the problem, which may affect the interpretation of the electric field directions and the corresponding area vectors.

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Homework Statement


The electric field has been measured to be horizontal and to the right everywhere on the closed box shown in the figure. All over the left side of the box E1 = 80 V/m, and all over the right, slanting, side of the box E2 = 400 V/m. On the top the average field is E3 = 260 V/m, on the front and back the average field is E4 = 200 V/m, and on the bottom the average field is E5 = 230 V/m.

Homework Equations


Flux = |E|*|A|*cos (theta)
ε0 = 8.85 ✕ 10-12 C2/N·m2

The Attempt at a Solution


The flux on the sides of the box = 0 because the electric field is perpendicular to the area vector. The flux on the left side of the box is (80)(.002)(cos 180) = -0.16 The flux on the right side of the box is (400)(.006)(cos (inverse sine of 4/12)) = 2.26
Then net flux is -0.16 + 2.26 = 2.1
2.1 = Q / (8.85x10^-12), Q = 1.86x10^-11

I can't figure out where I went wrong with this!
 
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physicslove22 said:

Homework Statement


The electric field has been measured to be horizontal and to the right everywhere on the closed box shown in the figure.
There is no figure.
 
Here is the figure!
 

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You need the sine of the inverse sine, so 1/3.
 
The electric field is uniform, so I believe you have the correct equation.

Notice that ##\vec E_3, \vec E_4##, and ##\vec E_5## cause no electric flux because each area vector ##d \vec A_{3, 4, 5}## is perpendicular to the electric field.

Only ##\vec E_1## and ##\vec E_2## are going to cause any flux.

I believe you have calculated the electric flux caused by ##\vec E_1## properly.

As for the electric flux caused by ##\vec E_2##, you need to separate the area vector for that side of the surface into it's ##x## and ##y## components ##d \vec A_x## and ##d \vec A_y##. Only the ##x## component should allow you to calculate a flux because the angle between it and ##\vec E_2## is zero.
 
I think I may have found my mistake: wouldn't Flux2 = (.12) (.05) (400) cos (90 - (inverse sine (.04/.12)) = .01424 ? Then net flux would be -0.1458?
 
Ok so I've checked over this several times, and I plugged it into my calculator wrong, so Flux2 = 0.8. However, it is still wrong! Does anyone know if there's some trick to it that I'm missing?
 
I believe it is because the electric flied lines through that face are not uniform. You can't apply ##\Phi_{\vec E_2} = E_2 A \text{cos}(\theta)## directly because finding the angle between ##d \vec A = \vec n \space dA## and ##\vec E_2## is difficult.
 
However, it is still wrong
I can't see what's wrong, you don't show your calculation nor the result.

Zondrina said:
I believe it is because the electric flied lines through that face are not uniform. You can't apply ##\Phi_{\vec E_2} = E_2 A \text{cos}(\theta)## directly because finding the angle between ##d \vec A = \vec n \space dA## and ##\vec E_2## is difficult.
It is given that the field is to the right and has the same value everywhere on the right side of the thing. I don't see why the 0.8 of love is incorrect.
 
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The answer is -0.16+400*0.006*1/3=0.64.
See my previous post.
 
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my2cts said:
The answer is -0.16+400*0.006*1/3=0.64.
See my previous post.
Yes, the -0.16 from love's post #1 and the 0.8 from love's post #7 combined. So if the answer is wrong it must lie in the conversion from net flux to charge.
 

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