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The discussion centers on calculating the force experienced by the sidewalls of a V-shaped depression filled with inelastic but deformable material when a force is applied from above. The force exerted at the top, denoted as F, relates to the sidewall force N through the equation N = F / (2 sin θ), where θ is the angle of the sidewalls from the vertical. Participants clarify the definitions of "inelastic but deformable" and discuss the implications of the material's properties on deformation. There is also a focus on how the force distribution is derived from integrating pressure over the sidewall area. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the mechanics involved in this scenario.
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Homework Statement
I have a V-shape depression (2-dimensional) with inelastic but deformable material filled.
If the material is pressed atop, how much force will be experienced by the sides?
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I have a V-shape depression (2-dimensional) with inelastic but deformable material filled.

If the material is pressed atop, how much force will be experienced by the sides?

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Hi.
Say F is force atop, it is equal to ##2N\ sin\theta## where ##\theta## is angle of both the sides from vertical line and N is force from a side.
N=\frac{F}{2 \sin\theta}
 
qnach said:
Homework Statement:: I have a V-shape depression (2-dimensional) with inelastic but deformable material filled.
If the material is pressed atop, how much force will be experienced by the sides?
Relevant Equations:: none.

I have a V-shape depression (2-dimensional) with inelastic but deformable material filled.

If the material is pressed atop, how much force will be experienced by the sides?

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What do you define as "inelastic but deformable?"
 
Chestermiller said:
What do you define as "inelastic but deformable?"

Yes, your criticism is correct. The force is not large, therefore will not result in large deformation hence can be considered as inelastic. Deformation, such as sands are deformable but inelastic.
 
mitochan said:
Hi.
Say F is force atop, it is equal to ##2N\ sin\theta## where ##\theta## is angle of both the sides from vertical line and N is force from a side.
N=\frac{F}{2 \sin\theta}
How did you got the result? I am not sure about the \sin \theta, but the force F should be P presumably.
 
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mitochan said:
Hi.
Say F is force atop, it is equal to ##2N\ sin\theta## where ##\theta## is angle of both the sides from vertical line and N is force from a side.
N=\frac{F}{2 \sin\theta}
Then where does the rest of the force go, for all angles and depths?
 
Tom.G said:
Then where does the rest of the force go, for all angles and depths?
N comes from area integration of pressure on a side
\mathbf{N}=\int p \ d\mathbf{S}
 

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