How Much Would I Weigh if I Dropped onto a Scale from 10 Feet in a Vacuum?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the weight displayed on a scale if a person were to drop from a height of 10 feet in a vacuum. Participants explore the dynamics of the impact, including momentum, force, and the behavior of the scale during the landing.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to determine the initial weight displayed on a scale after a drop, acknowledging that the scale would eventually return to the person's original weight.
  • Another suggests calculating momentum upon reaching final velocity as part of the solution.
  • Several participants note that the deceleration rate upon impact is crucial to determining the force exerted on the scale.
  • One participant proposes an instantaneous deceleration scenario, leading to discussions about the implications of infinite force over an infinitesimally small time period.
  • Calculations are presented regarding average force based on different deceleration times, indicating that the force varies significantly with the duration of deceleration.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the complexity of the problem, suggesting it may be impossible to estimate accurately.
  • Another participant mentions that a physics textbook might include additional factors, such as the spring constants of the scale, in the problem formulation.
  • A detailed equation is provided for calculating the maximum displacement of the scale's spring during impact, incorporating variables like mass, height, and spring constant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the deceleration upon impact is a critical factor, but there is no consensus on how to approach the calculation or the implications of instantaneous deceleration. Multiple competing views on the complexity and feasibility of estimating the weight displayed remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on assumptions about deceleration rates, the spring constant of the scale, and the nature of the impact. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in the calculations.

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Im trying to find out how much i would weigh (in pounds) if I were to land on a scale from a 10 foot drop, in a vacuum of course. Does anyone know the equation that would solve this? I know the scale would level back out to my original weight, but I want the weight it would initially display.
 
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try finding your momentum when youve reached your final velocity
 
It depends on how fast you decelerate when you hit the ground.
 
russ_watters said:
It depends on how fast you decelerate when you hit the ground.

I would round it off to instantly, no? Just imagine my legs being perfectly straight as i hit the ground..
 
Mmats said:
I would round it off to instantly, no? Just imagine my legs being perfectly straight as i hit the ground..

Thing is, when you lose momentum like this, you exert what is called an impulse, or force * time. If you decelerate instantly, that means you exert an infinitely large force for an infinitely small period of time.
 
3.048m/s * 68.04kg = 207.38 kg m/s

so the scale would read 207.38kg?
 
Mmats said:
3.048m/s * 68.04kg = 207.38 kg m/s

If it takes you one second to slow to a stop, the average force that the ground exerts on you is 207.38 N. If it takes 0.1 second, the average force is 2073.8 N. If it takes 0.01 second, the average force is 20738 N. And so forth.
 
i guess its a lot more complicated than i thought it would be, actually it seems somewhat impossible to even come up with even a good estimate. thanks for all the help anyways
 
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A physics book could present such a problem and include the number of springs in the scale and the spring constants of each spring...
 
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Mmats said:
Im trying to find out how much i would weigh (in pounds) if I were to land on a scale from a 10 foot drop, in a vacuum of course. Does anyone know the equation that would solve this? I know the scale would level back out to my original weight, but I want the weight it would initially display.
You would need to know the spring constant of the scale, then use:

[tex]mgh = \frac{1}{2}k(\Delta x)^2[/tex]

where [itex]\Delta x[/itex] is the displacement of the spring from its equilibrium position when you are just standing on it. This gives:

[tex]\Delta x = \sqrt{2mgh/k}[/tex]

You would then add mg/k (the spring extension due to your weight when just standing on it) to that to find the maximum displacement.

So:

[tex]F = k\Delta x + mg = \sqrt{2mghk} + mg[/tex]

The higher the spring k, the higher the force.

AM
 

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