How to Calculate Thermal Expansion in a Rod of Length 'l'?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of thermal expansion in a rod of length 'l' when subjected to temperature changes. Participants explore different methods of calculating the total length after multiple heating events, examining both linear and exponential models of thermal expansion.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a method for calculating the increase in length of a rod due to thermal expansion, proposing two equations for the total length after heating.
  • Another participant challenges the correctness of one of the proposed equations, asserting that it is incorrect.
  • A different participant supports the initial claim, stating that the equation in question is indeed correct.
  • Some participants note that the coefficient of thermal expansion varies with temperature, suggesting that for practical ranges, this variation is small and can lead to neglecting higher-order terms in calculations.
  • Another participant introduces a differential approach to thermal expansion, arguing that the initial formula is only valid for very small temperature changes and proposing an exponential model instead.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of one of the equations presented for calculating thermal expansion. There are competing views on the applicability of linear versus exponential models, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the initial approach, particularly regarding the assumptions about the coefficient of expansion and the temperature range considered. The discussion also reflects on the need for careful consideration of small versus finite temperature changes in calculations.

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Consider a rod of length 'l'. When heated, its temperature got increased by 't'.
Increase in its length = l[itex]\alpha[/itex]t.
total length be (l1) = l + l[itex]\alpha[/itex]t.
Again the rod is heated and the temperature further got increased by 't'.
Total length be l2.
l2 can be calculated in two ways,
l2 = l1 + l1[itex]\alpha[/itex] t...(a)
0r l2 = l + l[itex]\alpha[/itex](2t)...(b)
Equating (a) and (b).
l1 + l1[itex]\alpha[/itex] t = l+l[itex]\alpha[/itex](2t)
{l + l[itex]\alpha[/itex]t} + {l + l[itex]\alpha[/itex]t}{[itex]\alpha[/itex] t}
= l+l[itex]\alpha[/itex](2t).
Solving above equation we get l([itex]\alpha[/itex]t)2 = 0.
Where am i going wrong?
 
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Your equation b is wrong.
 
xAxis said:
Your equation b is wrong.

What is wrong?
Initial length of rod is 'l' and total rise in temperature is '2t'.
l2 = l + l[itex]\alpha[/itex](2t).

Its perfect.
 
The coefficient of expansion varies with temperature. For most substances and practical temperature ranges the variation is small, as is the quadratic term in your calculations.
 
haruspex said:
The coefficient of expansion varies with temperature. For most substances and practical temperature ranges the variation is small, as is the quadratic term in your calculations.

Since, [itex]\alpha[/itex] is small,[itex]\alpha[/itex]2 can be neglected and can be considered zero.
 
The formula l1 = l + l[itex]\alpha[/itex]t works only for very small t. Correct way to look after sweep over finite temperature range would be as follows.

[tex]l+dl = l + l \alpha dt[/tex]

Where dl is a small change in length, and dt is a small change in temperature. You can rearrange that into a differential equation.

[tex]dl/dt = l \alpha[/tex]

And that's easily solved.

[tex]l_1 = l_0 e^{\alpha t}[/tex]

Now if you substitute this into your formula, it works either way.

[tex]l_2 = l_1 e^{\alpha t} = l_0 e^{\alpha t + \alpha t} = l_0 e^{\alpha 2t}[/tex]
 

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