How to calculate velocity from the attraction of two charges

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The discussion revolves around calculating the velocity and acceleration of a proton approaching a charged metal plate, initially posed with a charge of 16 Coulombs. The context involves concepts from electrostatics and kinematics, particularly focusing on the effects of electric forces on charged particles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the initial conditions and parameters of the problem, questioning the realism of the charge values and the implications of exceeding the speed of light. There is discussion about using conservation of energy as a method for estimating impact velocity, as well as the challenges posed by non-uniform electric fields.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations and suggestions being explored. Some participants have offered guidance on approximating the problem and considering realistic charge values, while others emphasize the need for a more nuanced approach due to the complexities involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note constraints regarding the charge values, with suggestions that extremely high charges like 16 Coulombs are unrealistic for a metal plate. There is also mention of the need to consider special relativity due to the calculated speeds exceeding the speed of light.

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I need to calculate the acceleration of an proton to a metal plate with a charge of 16 Coulombs(negative charge), 1 meter away. Then I need to calculate the velocity at the moment it passes the plate. Starting Velocity is 0 m/s. What is the velocity and what is the acceleration? This is not homework. When I did this, I got an acceleration of 1.376*1018 m/s2. The velocity is then 1.65891531*109 m/s. Also, how long does it take for the proton to get to the plate.
 
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Even if it is not homework, it is similar to a homework question, so I moved the thread to our homework question.

How large is the plate and what is its orientation?
How did you get those numbers?
Acceleration won't be uniform. Finding the impact velocity is easier if you consider conservation of energy.

Your calculated speed exceeds the speed of light. Do you think that is realistic?
 
That is why I added it. It exceeded the speed of light. the size of the plate is two inches in diameter and there is a hole in the middle that is 1/2 inch in diameter and the electron will go through it.
 
General Scientist said:
That is why I added it. It exceeded the speed of light. the size of the plate is two inches in diameter and there is a hole in the middle that is 1/2 inch in diameter and the electron will go through it.
Mean to say proton
 
General Scientist said:
It exceeded the speed of light.
Which is impossible - you'll have to consider special relativity for this scenario. Note that there is no way to get 16 C onto such a plate. It would explode within a nanosecond.
 
Ok then put 5 coulombs
 
Something like Nanocoulombs is more realistic. Maybe 1 µC if we are very optimistic.
 
Then a 1 micro coulomb.
 
It is your problem, why don't you take 1 µC and see what you get?
 
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I don't know to calculate it because a washer will not have a uniform field
 
  • #11
An exact solution will need some integral or probably even a numerical solution. You can get some reasonable estimate, however.
 
  • #12
Could you please explain the process of calculating an close approximate
 
  • #13
You can approximate the plate as sphere, calculate the velocity of the incoming particle once it hits the (imaginary) sphere (ideally via energy conservation) and then assume that the particle does not accelerate further afterwards. That approximation should be good within a factor of 2.
 
  • #14
What about using these formulas
F=ma
F=(k⋅q1⋅q2)/d2
V=√(V02+2ad)
 
  • #15
The acceleration and distance won't be constant. Conservation of energy is by far the easiest approach.
 

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