How to Calculate Velocity with Given Acceleration and Position Using Integration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating velocity given acceleration and position using integration, specifically in the context of motion under constant acceleration. Participants explore the relationships between height, time, and velocity, while addressing the necessary initial conditions for calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants present the equation for height as h = ½at² and inquire about finding velocity given an acceleration of -9.8 m/s².
  • Others suggest that constants are missing from the equations and ask if the original poster is familiar with the full equations of motion under constant acceleration.
  • There is a request for clarification on the terms v(t) and x(t), with some participants indicating that x(t) represents linear distance traveled.
  • One participant mentions the need for initial conditions (h(0), v(0)) to perform calculations and summarizes the relevant equations for velocity and position.
  • Concerns are raised about ensuring the correct signs for the coordinate system used, particularly regarding the direction of acceleration and initial conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for initial conditions and the importance of sign conventions in calculations. However, there is no consensus on the specific approach to finding velocity, as some participants express uncertainty about the problem statement and the necessary variables.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clarity in the original problem statement and the dependence on initial conditions that have not been specified. The discussion also highlights the need for understanding the full equations of motion, which may not have been fully addressed.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about kinematics, particularly those seeking to understand the relationship between acceleration, position, and velocity in the context of motion under constant acceleration.

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If i have an equation: h = ½at2
And:
40 = -4.9t2 → 0 = -4.9t2 - 40

If: v = ∫a

then how do i find the velocity given acceleration of -9.8 m/s2?
 
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Phys_Boi said:
If i have an equation: h = ½at2
And:
40 = -4.9t2 → 0 = -4.9t2 - 40

If: v = ∫a

then how do i find the velocity given acceleration of -9.8 m/s2?
You are missing some constants in those equations. Are you familiar with the full equations of motion given a constant acceleration a?

v(t) = ?
x(t) = ?
 
berkeman said:
You are missing some constants in those equations. Are you familiar with the full equations of motion given a constant acceleration a?

v(t) = ?
x(t) = ?
Well I am only a Sophomore and haven't had either Calculus nor Physics..
However, v(t) is what i need to know.
What is x(t)?
 
Phys_Boi said:
Well I am only a Sophomore and haven't had either Calculus nor Physics..
However, v(t) is what i need to know.
What is x(t)?
x(t) is the linear distance travelled. It looks like you are wanting z(t) or h(t) height, but it doesn't matter, you still use the same equations.

See this Hyperphysics page for example:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mot.html#motcon

It lists the equations for v(t) and x(t) or h(t). Although, they have left off one term -- there should be an x(0) term on the righthand side of the equation for x(t).

Does that help?
 
berkeman said:
x(t) is the linear distance travelled. It looks like you are wanting z(t) or h(t) height, but it doesn't matter, you still use the same equations.

See this Hyperphysics page for example:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mot.html#motcon

It lists the equations for v(t) and x(t) or h(t). Although, they have left off one term -- there should be an x(0) term on the righthand side of the equation for x(t).

Does that help?
Thanks,

So how do i find the velocity at a given time? Do I need all of those variables?
If height is 40:
40=0.5(9.8)(t^2) ... We can solve this for time, however, how do I find the velocity?
Sorry, if I'm missing something that's obvious.

So does v = at?
 
Phys_Boi said:
Thanks,

So how do i find the velocity at a given time? Do I need all of those variables?
If height is 40:
40=0.5(9.8)(t^2) ... We can solve this for time, however, how do I find the velocity?
Sorry, if I'm missing something that's obvious.

So does v = at?

Your problem statement is still not clear to me. We need to know the initial conditions h(0), v(0) in order to do any calculations. To summarize, you will use equations like these (I'm going to use y(t) for the height);

[tex]v(t) = v(0) + a*t[/tex]

[tex]y(t) = y(0) + v(0)*t + \frac{1}{2}a*t^2[/tex]
 
berkeman said:
Your problem statement is still not clear to me. We need to know the initial conditions h(0), v(0) in order to do any calculations. To summarize, you will use equations like these (I'm going to use y(t) for the height);

[tex]v(t) = v(0) + a*t[/tex]

[tex]y(t) = y(0) + v(0)*t + \frac{1}{2}a*t^2[/tex]

Okay... Thank you!

Sorry for the ignorant questions.
 
Your welcome. They are not ignorant questions -- you are learning. :smile:
 
BTW, it's important that you get the signs right for whatever coordinate system you define. So if y(t) is positive up, then the acceleration in the y direction is -9.8m/s^2 as you have already said. The initial position and velocity will have signs as well in the general problems.
 
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berkeman said:
BTW, it's important that you get the signs right for whatever coordinate system you define. So if y(t) is positive up, then the acceleration in the y direction is -9.8m/s^2 as you have already said. The initial position and velocity will have signs as well in the general problems.
Okay! Thank you!
 

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