How to calculate velocity with target 12 m away vertically and 6 m horizontally?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the velocity required to hit a target that is positioned 12 meters away vertically and 6 meters horizontally. The problem involves projectile motion and the application of kinematic equations.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore various equations related to projectile motion, including those for horizontal and vertical components of velocity. Questions arise regarding the calculation of range and time, as well as the consistency of results obtained from different approaches.

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Some participants have provided equations and attempted calculations, while others question the assumptions made, particularly regarding the angle of projection. There is an ongoing exploration of how to reconcile different results and clarify the role of the angle in the problem.

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There is a noted ambiguity regarding the angle of projection, which is crucial for determining a unique solution. The angle of 50° is mentioned, but its source and implications are questioned by participants.

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I used an online simulation for this lab. The target is 12 m away horizontally and 6 m vertically. I was to find the velocity needed to hit the target.Since it's an online simulation, I played around with it and got 14.3 m/s. The formula I plan on using is:

Vx=range/time
Vy=√(range*10-(range/time)²)
V=√(Vx)+Vy

My problem is, how do I calculate the range and time when the target is hit? Or do I use the final range and time in the equation?

The range and time of the first black X is: 9.19 m and 1 s.
The final range and time is 21.6 m and 2.4 s.
 
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I was given these equations and was told to solve for V:

t = 12/Vx
Vy = 6/t + (0.5)(9.81)t
Vx = Vcos(50)
Vy = Vsin(50)

And this is what I got:

t = 12/Vx
2.6=12/Vx
Vx=28.8

Vy = 6/t + (0.5)(9.81)t
Vy=6/2.6+(0.5)(9.81)(2.6)
Vy=14.272

Vx = Vcos(50)
28.8/cos(50)=V
V=29.8456

Vy = Vsin(50)
14.272/sin(50)=V
V= -54.395

The velocity from Vy = 6/t + (0.5)(9.81)t is the same from the simulation, but I think I might have messed up in general. I know V from both equations should be the same, but they're obviously not. Any explanation on what I did wrong and how to fix it?
 
What angle with the horizontal is specified? I see the number 50 in your work but don't see where it came from. Without an angle specified, the problem does not have a unique solution.
 
LawrenceC said:
What angle with the horizontal is specified? I see the number 50 in your work but don't see where it came from. Without an angle specified, the problem does not have a unique solution.

The angle of the cannon is 50°.
 
Take your equations

t = 12/Vx
Vy = 6/t + (0.5)(9.81)t
Vx = Vcos(50)
Vy = Vsin(50)

and rewrite them with V as one of the unknowns. The other unknown is t. Eliminate t and solve for V. Eliminate the Vx and Vy variables because you know them in terms of V which is what you seek.
 

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