How to Derive Differential Equations for a Second Order System?

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To derive the differential equations for a second order system, the discussion emphasizes the importance of accurately applying Newton's second law, ΣF = ma. The user attempts to analyze the forces acting on mass m1, considering the spring force (k.x1) and the damping force (B.(x2dot - x1dot)). Clarification is provided that the spring and damper forces oppose the motion of mass m1. It is suggested to express the motion equation as m1.äx1 = -kx1 for clarity. Proper notation and understanding of forces are essential for deriving the correct differential equations.
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I have attached an image of a question I am trying to do, I want to find the differential equations that describe the second order system in the image.

I know for a spring, potential energy = 1/2.K.x (where k is the spring constant, and x is the distance the spring is stretched).

I know that damper dissipation is = 1/2.B.(dx/dt) (where B is the damping constant and dx/dt is the rate of change of position with respect to time).

My solution:

I try to build a free body diagram for each mass on its own:

I have showed a snapshot of my attempt for the D.E. describing the motion of m1.

If any of you guys could tell me if I am correct or you have a handy way of doing these types of questions please feel free to respond.

Thank you
 

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Hello Mark, welcome to PF :smile: !

For some reason the template has disappeared. Pity (*). The relevant equation is ##\Sigma F = ma##. So you want to sort out the signs a little more carefully (of the forces; ##-k## is not a force, nor is ##-B## ).(*) Its use is mandatory in PF, for very good reasons; see the guidelines.
 
Hi BvU,

Apologies about the template, I will not post without a template again.

My notation there was a little careless, I did not mean to label K and B as forces, I was trying to imply that there is a force acting on mass m1 due to both the spring and the damper.

Spring: k.x1
Damper: B.(x2dot-x1dot)

And that these two forces oppose the motion of mass m1 from left to right.
 
And that these two forces oppose the motion of mass m1 from left to right
is good. And when you state that, you should also write something like ##m_1\ddot x_1 = -kx_1## and not e.g. ##m_1\ddot x_1 -kx_1 = 0 ## :rolleyes:
 
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