How to Derive Velocity from Newton's Second Law?

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The discussion revolves around deriving velocity from Newton's Second Law, specifically using the equation dv/dt = a. The user attempts to integrate to find the relationship between velocity and position, leading to the equation 1/2 v^2 + C = az. Clarification is sought on the constant C, with insights shared that C can represent different values depending on the context, such as initial velocity. The conversation emphasizes the importance of defining variables clearly, particularly z and z_max, to understand the physical scenario being analyzed. Ultimately, the integration process and the interpretation of constants are key to solving the problem effectively.
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Hi

In a book they state
<br /> \frac{dv}{dt} = a \quad \Rightarrow \quad v(z) = \sqrt{2a(z-z_{max})}<br />
I am trying to reproduce this. Here is what I have so far:

dv/dt = (dv/dz)(dz/dt) = v(dv/dz) = a

Since a is constant (I assume?), I get
<br /> \int vdv = \int adz \quad \Rightarrow\quad \frac{1}{2}v^2 + C = az <br />
Here C denotes a constant. What should I do from here?Niles.
 
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what is z?

if \frac{dv}{dt} = a then \int dv = \int a\ dt \ \rightarrow v = \int a\ dt
 
Hi Niles! :smile:
Niles said:
<br /> \frac{dv}{dt} = a \quad \Rightarrow \quad v(z) = \sqrt{2a(z-z_{max})}<br />
I am trying to reproduce this.
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<br /> \frac{1}{2}v^2 + C = az <br />
Here C denotes a constant. What should I do from here?

erm :wink:

you're there! :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Niles! :smile:


erm :wink:

you're there! :smile:

Thanks. But how is it seen that C=2azmax?
 
Niles said:
Thanks. But how is it seen that C=2azmax?

You really might want to give us a lot more context on what you're doing. What is z? What is z_{max}? If you tell us what the problem is, we can even tell you if the acceleration is constant.
 
It is from a book on how to slow atoms with a Zeeman slower. Here z is the coordinate (longitudinal, along the magnetic field), and z_{max} I believe is the longitudinal coordinate, where the velocity is zero. Sorry, I should have stated that at first.
 
Hi Niles! :smile:
Niles said:
Thanks. But how is it seen that C=2azmax?

Niles said:
… z_{max} I believe is the longitudinal coordinate, where the velocity is zero.

v= 0 when z = zmax, so C = azmax :wink:

(the "2" would be for a different C)
 
Thanks. It is very kind of all of you to help me.Niles.
 
Is it correct that there are other ways to define C? E.g. as the initial velocity? In that case I would say that when z=0, then C=-0.5v2initial, so I get
<br /> 2az = v^2 - v^2_{initial}<br />
 
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Yes, C can be anything, and can be re-named later.

We often get C in an integration, then we tidy it up, and we find we have something awkward like 2π/C …

so we call that C (or vo or zo) instead! :wink:

(in this case, I think it was C/2)
 
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