How to differentiate a term with respect to metric

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The discussion revolves around differentiating terms with respect to the metric tensor, specifically focusing on expressions involving the electromagnetic tensor and vector fields. Participants are exploring how to express these terms in a way that highlights their dependence on the metric.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss rewriting terms to expose their dependence on the metric, questioning what this means in practice. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between covariant and contravariant tensors and their derivatives with respect to the metric. One participant raises a specific example involving a dynamical four-velocity and expresses uncertainty about its explicit form.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into how to differentiate terms and questioning the correctness of their approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the differentiation process, but multiple interpretations and uncertainties remain, particularly concerning specific derivatives.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of tensor calculus and the implications of metric dependence, with some expressing a lack of explicit forms for certain variables, which may affect their ability to proceed. The discussion is framed within the context of homework constraints that require careful consideration of these mathematical relationships.

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for example: ##\frac{\partial(F^{ab}F_{ab})}{ \partial g^{ab}} ## where F_{ab} is electromagnetic tensor.
or ##\frac{\partial N_{a}}{\partial g^{ab}}## where ##N_{a}(x^{b}) ## is a vector field.

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i saw people write ##F^{ab}F_{ab}## as ## g^{ca}g^{db}F_{cd} F_{ab}## and say we write the term in a way that exposes the dependence on the metric. but exactly what it means ?
 
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You need to write your function in terms of the variables you have, in your case ##g^{ab}## and ##F_{ab}##. The contravariant ##F^{ab}## is not independent of those and so will have non zero partial derivatives wrt both. Writing it in terms of your variables let's you differentiate easier.

As a similar example: Take ##f(x,y) = xy##. The partial derivative ##\partial_yf## is simply ##\partial_y (xy) = x##. This is essentially the same. Do not be confused by the fact that you use the same letter to denote the covariant and contravariant tensors.
 
for example if ##N_{\mu}(x^\nu)## be unit time like dynamical four velocity, what's happening ? i don't know explicit form of ##N_{\mu}##.
 
ok we can write for first example:##\frac {\partial (g^{ca}g^{db}F_{cd}F_{ab})}{\partial g^{ef}}## = ##\frac{\partial g^{ca}}{\partial g^{ef}}g^{db}F_{cd}F_{ab}+\frac{\partial g^{db}}{\partial g^{ef}}g^{ca}F_{cd}F_{ab}+\frac{\partial F_{cd}}{\partial g^{ef}}g^{ca}g^{db}F_{ab}+\frac{\partial F_{ab}}{\partial g^{ef}}g^{ca}g^{db}F_{cd}## . is it correct ?

##\frac{\partial g^{ca}}{\partial g^{ef}}=\delta^c_{e} \delta^a_{f}## is it correct ?

what's happening for ## \frac{\partial F_{cd}}{\partial g^{ef}}## ?
 

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