How to find antiderivative of product

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The discussion revolves around finding the antiderivative of the expression x^5 + tan(2x)sec(2x)dx, with a particular focus on the second term, tan(2x)sec(2x).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of u-substitution and the relationship between secant and tangent functions. There is a mention of manipulating the expression into sine and cosine forms. Questions arise regarding the familiarity of the function sec(u)tan(u) and its derivative.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of u-substitution, and there is an acknowledgment of the derivative relationship between secant and tangent functions. Participants reflect on their thought processes and the potential for learning from their approaches.

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There is an indication that participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may influence their approaches and reasoning. The discussion also highlights the importance of careful consideration of the problem before proceeding with manipulations.

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problem: find the anti derivative of x^5 + tan(2x)sec(2x)dx

how do you find the anti derivative of the second half of that problem tan(2x)sec(2x)
 
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donjt81 said:
problem: find the anti derivative of x^5 + tan(2x)sec(2x)dx

how do you find the anti derivative of the second half of that problem tan(2x)sec(2x)

Does the function y=sec(u)tan(u) look familiar at all? Perhaps as the derivative of some common elementary function?
 
yeah, you are going to have to use u-substitution twice. I don't know if I am correct or not, but I changed everything to sin and cos before anything and manipulated it that way. I then let u = cosx and du = -sinx. For the second u-substitution, I let v=u²-1 and (1/2)dv = udu. I hope that helps and does not confuse you and more.
 
prace said:
yeah, you are going to have to use u-substitution twice. I don't know if I am correct or not, but I changed everything to sin and cos before anything and manipulated it that way. I then let u = cosx and du = -sinx. For the second u-substitution, I let v=u²-1 and (1/2)dv = udu. I hope that helps and does not confuse you and more.

What are you doing? What is the derivative of secant?
 
oh yeah... I see that the deriveitive of secx = secx tanx... Hmm... looks like I went a long.. long long long way around it.. haha. Sorry about that donjt81, I hope I didn't lead you too far the wrong way. I think it comes out to the same answer. Does it? Well, I guess we can both learn a lesson, or at least myself. And that is to really look at what's in front of you with the equation before just jumping into it. I just jumped right in and started to manipulate it, when I could have just taken a minute to think about what was really there and solved it much quicker and easier.
 

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