How to find the acceleration of a ball rolling on ground?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the average acceleration of a ball of moist clay that falls 15.0 m and comes to a stop after 20.0 ms of contact with the ground. The correct average acceleration is determined to be approximately 857 m/s², indicating that it is directed upwards. Initial calculations led to confusion regarding the sign of the acceleration, but it was clarified that the acceleration is positive as the velocity transitions from negative to zero. The participants also discussed the implications of the motion, emphasizing that the ball squishes rather than rolls on the ground. Overall, the average acceleration during the contact phase is confirmed to be upward at 857 m/s².
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Homework Statement


"A ball of moist clay falls 15.0 m to the ground. It is in contact with the ground for 20.0 ms before stopping. (a) What is the magnitude of the average acceleration of the ball during the time it is in contact with the ground? (Treat the ball as a particle.) (b) Is the average acceleration up or down?"

Homework Equations


##x_0=15m##
##x=0m##
##t_2=0.02s##
##v^2=v_0+2a(x-x_0)##
##v=v_0+at##
Answer as given by book: (a) 857 m/s2; (b) up

The Attempt at a Solution


##v^2=2(9.8\frac{m}{s^2})(15m)##
##v_0=0\frac{m}{s}##
##v=17.15\frac{m}{s}##

Next, I treat this as my next initial velocity when the clay rolls on the ground for 0.02 s.

##v_0=17.15\frac{m}{s}##
##v=0\frac{m}{s}##
##t=0.02s##

##0\frac{m}{s}=|17.15\frac{m}{s}|+a(0.02s)##
##a=|\frac{-17.15\frac{m}{s}}{0.02s}|=|-875\frac{m}{s^2}|≠857\frac{m}{s^2}##

Aside from not matching the answer in the book, the sign of the acceleration is negative, which would mean it is going down. Unless I'm mistaken, and the negative acceleration is going up from -875 m\s2 to 0 m\s2... I'm not sure if I'm correct or not, in this assumption, though. Could someone confirm or deny my answer and my assumption?
 
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When you solve v2= some number, what are the possible values of v?
I agree with the 17.15, as a magnitude. Check the next step. (Looks like you dropped a digit.)
 
Oh, I made a miscalculation.

##a=\frac{-17.15\frac{m}{s}}{0.02s}=-857.3\frac{m}{s^2}##
##|a|=857.3\frac{m}{s^2}##

So does that mean that the average acceleration is up, when it rises from -857 m/s2 to 0 m/s2?
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
Oh, I made a miscalculation.

##a=\frac{-17.15\frac{m}{s}}{0.02s}=-857.3\frac{m}{s^2}##
##|a|=857.3\frac{m}{s^2}##

So does that mean that the average acceleration is up, when it rises from -857 m/s2 to 0 m/s2?
The acceleration does not rise from -857 m/s2 to 0 m/s2.
You did not answer my question about solving for v2.

Edit: by the way, the ball does not roll on the ground, it squishes on the ground.
 
haruspex said:
You did not answer my question about solving for v2.

It's going to be ±17.15 m/s. I also saw that I typed in 17.5 on my calculator; not 17.15.
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
It's going to be ±17.15 m/s.
Right. Which is it here?
 
Negative, because it's going down?
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
Negative, because it's going down?
Right. So what do you get for the acceleration?
 
-857 m/s2?
 
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Eclair_de_XII said:
-857 m/s2?
The velocity has gone from negative to zero. Does that make the acceleration positive or negative?
 
  • #11
##a=\frac{v_f-v_i}{t}##
##a=\frac{0-(-17.15\frac{m}{s})}{0.02s}##
##a=857\frac{m}{s^2}##

So positive.
 
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  • #12
But that's only for the initial fall. What about after it touches the ground and squishes?
 
  • #13
Eclair_de_XII said:
But that's only for the initial fall. What about after it touches the ground and squishes?
No, you took the final velocity as zero to get that acceleration. That is the average acceleration while squishing.
 
  • #14
Oh, so...

##v_0=-17.15\frac{m}{s}##
##v=0##
##t=0.02s##

##v=v_0+at##
##a=\frac{17.15\frac{m}{s}}{0.02s}=857\frac{m}{s^2}##
 
  • #15
Eclair_de_XII said:
Oh, so...

##v_0=-17.15\frac{m}{s}##
##v=0##
##t=0.02s##

##v=v_0+at##
##a=\frac{17.15\frac{m}{s}}{0.02s}=857\frac{m}{s^2}##
Yes.
 
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