How to Find the Basis of an Image

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The discussion revolves around methods for finding the basis of the image of a linear transformation, with a focus on techniques applicable in linear algebra. Participants explore various approaches, examples, and clarify concepts related to the image and null space of transformations.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on how to find the basis of the image of a linear transformation, having understood the kernel but not the image.
  • Another participant explains that the image consists of vectors that can be expressed as linear combinations of the columns of the transformation's matrix.
  • A participant suggests checking specific pages in a linear algebra book for standard methods related to finding the basis of the column space.
  • One participant describes a method involving Gaussian elimination to reduce columns to an independent spanning set and identifies pivot columns to determine the basis.
  • Several examples are provided to illustrate the process of finding the basis of the image, including specific transformations and their corresponding null spaces.
  • In one example, a transformation from R² is analyzed, leading to a basis for the image being identified as {(2, 1)}.
  • Another example involves a transformation from R³, resulting in a basis for the image being {(1, 1, 0), (1, 0, 1)}.
  • A participant questions the similarity of their method to those previously mentioned and inquires about the total number of methods available for finding the basis of an image.

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Participants present various methods and examples for finding the basis of the image, indicating multiple approaches exist. There is no consensus on a single method, and some participants express uncertainty about the similarities between the methods discussed.

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I've been reading a book on linear algebra. It talks about finding the the basis of kernel and image of a linear transformation. I understand how to find the basis of the kernel, but I don't understand how to find the basis of the image. Could someone please explain a method of doing it? Thank you!
 
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Think about the definition of the image of a transformation ##A##: it is the set of all vectors that can be written ##A x##. If you have a matrix representation for ##A##, then any vector ##Ax## must be a linear combination of the columns of ##A##. Does that help?

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I am thinking my answer wasn't very good. This is a standard thing to do for matrices (finding basis of column space): check out pages 59-62

http://www.math.brown.edu/~treil/papers/LADW/book.pdf
 
Oh!
I get it now!
You're explanation actually cleared things up. And the book helped as well.

Thanks a lot for your help! :D
 
just reduce the columns to an independent spanning set. One way to do that is do gauss elimination via row operations until you hve echelon form. Then look where the "pivot" columns are located. Go back to the original matrix and choose the columns in those same positions and you will have a basis.
 
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To take an easy example, suppose we have a linear transformation on R2 that maps (x, y) to (4x+ 2y, 2x+ y). The null space consists of all vectors that are mapped to the 0 vector: 4x+ 2y= 0 and 2x+ y= 0. In fact, 4x+ 2y= 2(2x+ y) so those are the same equation which is equivalent to y= -2x. Rather than getting the single solution, (0, 0), any vector of the form (x, y)= (x, -2x) is in the null space. The set {(1, -2)} is a basis for the one dimensional null space.

Since this operator is maps R2 to itself, and the null space has dimension 1, the image has dimension 2- 1= 1 also. But where the null space is a subspace of the domain, the image is a subspace of the range. Here, both domain and range are R2 but it is useful to make this distinction. While we can write the null space in terms of "x" and "y", to look at the image we need to write u= 4x+ 2y, v= 2x+ y and write the basis of the image in terms of u and v. Here, u= 4x+ 2y= 2(2x+ y)= 2v. A vector in the image is of the form (u, v)= (2v, v)= v(2, 1). {(2, 1)} is a basis for the image.

A slightly harder example: A linear transformation maps (x, y, z) to (x+ y+ z, y+ z, x). Now, if (x, y, z) is in the null space, we have x+ y+ z= 0, y+ z= 0, x= 0. With x= 0, both the first two equations reduce to y+ z= 0 or z= -y. Any vector in the null space is of the form (x, y, z)= (0, y, -y)= y(0, 1, -1) so {(0, 1, -1)} is a basis for the one dimensional null space.

To find a basis for the image, write u= x+ y+ z, v= y+ z, w= x. From the last equation, we an write u= w+ y+ z or u- w= y+ z= v. We have the single equation u- w= v or u= v+ w that must be satisfied for all (u, v, w) in the image. That is, any vector in the image can be written in the form (u, v, w)= (v+ w, v, w)= (v, v, 0)+ (w, 0, w)= v(1, 1, 0)+ w(1, 0, 1). {(1, 1, 0), (1, 0, 1)} is a basis for the image which is two dimensional.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
To take an easy example, suppose we have a linear transformation on R2 that maps (x, y) to (4x+ 2y, 2x+ y). The null space consists of all vectors that are mapped to the 0 vector: 4x+ 2y= 0 and 2x+ y= 0. In fact, 4x+ 2y= 2(2x+ y) so those are the same equation which is equivalent to y= -2x. Rather than getting the single solution, (0, 0), any vector of the form (x, y)= (x, -2x) is in the null space. The set {(1, -2)} is a basis for the one dimensional null space.

Since this operator is maps R2 to itself, and the null space has dimension 1, the image has dimension 2- 1= 1 also. But where the null space is a subspace of the domain, the image is a subspace of the range. Here, both domain and range are R2 but it is useful to make this distinction. While we can write the null space in terms of "x" and "y", to look at the image we need to write u= 4x+ 2y, v= 2x+ y and write the basis of the image in terms of u and v. Here, u= 4x+ 2y= 2(2x+ y)= 2v. A vector in the image is of the form (u, v)= (2v, v)= v(2, 1). {(2, 1)} is a basis for the image.

A slightly harder example: A linear transformation maps (x, y, z) to (x+ y+ z, y+ z, x). Now, if (x, y, z) is in the null space, we have x+ y+ z= 0, y+ z= 0, x= 0. With x= 0, both the first two equations reduce to y+ z= 0 or z= -y. Any vector in the null space is of the form (x, y, z)= (0, y, -y)= y(0, 1, -1) so {(0, 1, -1)} is a basis for the one dimensional null space.

To find a basis for the image, write u= x+ y+ z, v= y+ z, w= x. From the last equation, we an write u= w+ y+ z or u- w= y+ z= v. We have the single equation u- w= v or u= v+ w that must be satisfied for all (u, v, w) in the image. That is, any vector in the image can be written in the form (u, v, w)= (v+ w, v, w)= (v, v, 0)+ (w, 0, w)= v(1, 1, 0)+ w(1, 0, 1). {(1, 1, 0), (1, 0, 1)} is a basis for the image which is two dimensional.
Thanks a lot! Is this method the same as the methods mentioned by the other members? I fail to see a similarity. If this is a different method, how many ways of finding an the basis of an image are there in total?
 

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