How to Find the Velocity of Mass 9m at the Bottom?

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To find the velocity of mass "9m" at the bottom of a lever system, conservation of energy principles should be applied, treating the entire system as a whole. The lever, with masses "4m" and "9m," rotates freely around a horizontal axis without friction, meaning no mechanical energy is lost. The gravitational forces acting on the masses are the only forces doing work in this scenario. The support point O does not perform work since it remains stationary. Understanding these concepts is crucial for solving the problem effectively.
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Homework Statement



A lever of length 3L can rotate freely around a horizontal axis O.
The end of each arm "2L" and "L" of the lever has one mass : "4m" and "9m" , respectively.

Find the velocity of mass "9m" at the bottom.
Consider that the lever was initially at rest in the horizontal position.

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The problem is in a chapter of work and energy, before the conceps of torque and moment of inercia, so i guess that only energy and work can solve this.
But any solution/hint with any method will be welcome.

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm trying to apply conservation of energy, but I'm confused if the whole system is conservating energy or only part of it.

I really need a hint of how start this problem or if possible a solution of it.

Thanks in advance!
 

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What forces are acting on the system?
 
I believe that only the gravitational forces are acting on the system "lever+masses". I can't see any other possible force able to do work.
 
clicwar said:
I'm trying to apply conservation of energy, but I'm confused if the whole system is conservating energy or only part of it.
Since everything is connected, treat the system as a whole. How does the mechanical energy change as the system rotates?
 
The mechanical energy of the system as whole is doesn't changing ... right?
(Does the support O of the lever is doing work?) .
 
clicwar said:
The mechanical energy of the system as whole is doesn't changing ... right?
Right.
(Does the support O of the lever is doing work?)
I interpret "rotate freely" as saying that there is no friction, and thus no mechanical energy lost to friction. The support O does no work, since it doesn't move.
 
Doc Al said:
I interpret "rotate freely" as saying that there is no friction, and thus no mechanical energy lost to friction. The support O does no work, since it doesn't move.

Thank you very much for the help DocAl. The sentence quoted above is exactly what i was looking for.
 
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