How to measure the wavelength of a light source

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around measuring the wavelength of light emitted by various light sources, particularly in the context of understanding their effects on melatonin production and sleep quality. Participants explore different methods and tools for measuring light wavelengths, including diffraction gratings and spectrometers, while also considering practical implications and alternative solutions.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using a diffraction grating to measure the spectrum of light sources, noting that a simple setup with a small slit can suffice.
  • Others propose using a spectrometer, particularly diffraction-grating versions, as a straightforward method to determine light wavelengths.
  • One participant mentions the possibility of building a DIY spectrometer or purchasing a commercial one, emphasizing that the calculations involved are manageable.
  • Another participant points out that a hand-held spectroscope could be a practical and affordable option for measuring light spectra.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the claims made in popular literature regarding light and melatonin, suggesting a need for scientific verification.
  • There is a suggestion that using filters could help block blue light, which is known to affect melatonin production.
  • One participant mentions that certain light sources, like sodium lamps, do not emit blue light, which may be suitable for the original query.
  • Concerns are raised about the prevalence of pseudoscience related to health and sleep, particularly in the context of conditions like Multiple Sclerosis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on the best methods for measuring light wavelengths and the validity of claims regarding light's impact on health. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on a single approach or perspective.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of measuring light wavelengths and the potential for confusion due to the variety of methods and tools available. There is also an acknowledgment of the need for scientific rigor in evaluating claims related to light and health.

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Hey Folks

Quick disclaimer:

I have no background in physics whatsoever but I have found myself trying to solve a problem that is seemingly based in physics so I am trying to learn.

I also have a background in search and search engine optimisation which usually means I am a dab hand at locating information online, but in this case, I seem to be going around in circles which I believe is in part due to me not really knowing how to ask the question.

Background:

After my wife was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis I have spent the last four or so years optimising our diet and lifestyle and whilst we pretty much have stress, diet and exercise dialled in I have now come to improving our sleep. I read a book called Lights Out that goes into detail regarding how our artificial lighting impacts our sleep. To cut a long story short, this all comes down to a hormone called melatonin that is suppressed by daylight and by artificial light so sitting at home, with the lights on, way after dark is bad.

It would seem that melatonin is suppressed by certain colours of light - primarily blue light and that light over 530 nm on the spectrum of light is okay (as it is similar to more natural sources like firelight).

This is a quote from wikipedia:

Production of melatonin by the pineal gland is inhibited by light to the retina and permitted by darkness. Its onset each evening is called the dim-light melatonin onset (DLMO).

It is principally blue light, around 460 to 480 nm, that suppresses melatonin,[33] proportional to the light intensity and length of exposure. Until recent history, humans in temperate climates were exposed to few hours of (blue) daylight in the winter; their fires gave predominantly yellow light. The incandescent light bulb widely used in the twentieth century produced relatively little blue light.[34] Wearing glasses that block blue light in the hours before bedtime may decrease melatonin loss. Kayumov et al. showed that light containing only wavelengths greater than 530 nm does not suppress melatonin in bright-light conditions.[35]

The Question:

It would seem there are a few bulbs on the market that possibly meet my requirement yet to be sure I need to measure the colour of the light in a room when using these bulbs. I would like it bright enough to read if possible but also dark enough and with no blue light so we get the benefits of cutting out artificial light.

I have been trying to understand how to measure the nm value of a given light source but have found myself getting increasingly confused. I have looked at Photometry, Colorimetry, Spectroradiometry and a whole other bunch of *metry's and I am still unsure what I should be looking at.

I have also seen a technique known as diffraction grating that again, is a little out of my ballpark and I unsure if this is correct for measuring direct colour from a bulb or the colour of light in a room.

So, I would really love some help figuring out how to measure the light of a given light source.

- is there a tool I can use for this?
- are there companies or universities that could perform this for me?
- is there anything else I should read / learn / research?

I hope this question is well structured enough that some of you good folks around here can help .

All the best!
Marcus

References:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melatonin
 
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If the light source(s) in the room does not emit light below 530nm, the room itself won't produce that (in a significant amount), so it should be sufficient to measure the spectrum of the light source(s). This can be done with a diffraction grating, and some method to direct light to that grating (everything should work, including a small slit in some paper). It might be possible to see the result by eye (is there blue/green light somewhere?) - alternatively, a simple calculation should give the wavelengths.

A CD is a low-tech version of the diffraction grating: If there is really no blue/green light anywhere, it should be fine.

- are there companies or universities that could perform this for me?
Probably, but that could be expensive.
 
You would use a spectrometer of some kind to find the wavelength of the light.

The cheapest and easiest to use are the diffraction-grating versions.
Don't be intimidated by the theory - the actual calculation is a matter of multiplying and dividing.

You can even build your own and cheap commercial spectrometers are available.

You can buy diffraction gratings - they will be rated with the line density (no of lines per millimeter) written on them. You need this number - call it p.

Put the light bulb in a box so light can only come out a small hole - helps if the hole is a slit.
Put the diffraction grating over the hole. Turn out the room lights.
Shine the light you get onto a screen.
You need to know how far away the screen is - call that L. You want it to be at least a meter or so away to make the math easy.

The light will be a central narrow bar the same color as the bulb, and a series of batches of color on either side of it.
The batches will look like rainbows for regular lightbulbs, and like collections of lines for some others.

Use a ruler to measure the distance from the central bar to the first appearance of the color you want the wavelength for... call this distance x. (It is usually easiest to use a paper screen and mark the different color positions with a pencil so you can use your ruler with the lights on.)

Then the wavelength is $$\lambda = \frac{x}{pL}$$
You can get more accuracy by using the other bunches of colors, but this should work for your purposes.
If all you care about is the absence of blue-green, then this will be obvious from inspection - there will be no blue-green in the colored bunches.
 
You can buy a simple hand-held spectroscope on ebay. For instance, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Professional-Prism-Spectroscope-Gift-Case-bag-/380518646355#vi-content for $60 or http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Focusable-DVS-5-Prism-Spectroscope-fr-Gems-w-Wavelength-Scale-Slit-Adjustment-/140917894689?pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Lab_Equipment_ET&hash=item20cf5c6e21 for $70. It is like a small monocular to look at and you just point it at the light source and see the spectrum against a scale. Quite accurate enough for what you need. There are others, even cheaper, I think. You really don't want to get involved in construction something when this sort of thing is available already made up.
 
Not sure you need to go to that much effort. We know that the mercury spectrum has a strong blue line, so no standard florescent bulbs, incandescent lamps, as already mentioned have a continuous spectrum which contains blue, so no incandescent lamps. That leaves sodium, sodium has only orange lines, no blue. If you can find, then tolerate, the harsh light from a sodium source it will do what you want. OR just use candles

Beyond that I would be very skeptical about what may be a lot of new age who-ha in these books you are reading. Look for real scientific works to verify any book making these claims.
 
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A filter might be interesting as well, as it can block the blue light.
 
@sophiecentaur - that's awesome!
@mfb - I realized after posting ... anyone really worried should just use a filter.

The melatonin thing is a well documented effect... but there are other factors affecting sleep... OP has already mentioned diet. I think the operative question is "how much" - how much does sitting up at night affect health? If healthy sleep is the target, then just going to bed early seems to be the answer.

Conditions like Multiple Sclerosis attract an enormous amount of pseudoscience and quackery - basically just preying on people. Maintaining skepticism is a good call.
 
It would be optimal if you bought a spectrometer ready and tested. Yet, to me you shouldn't place it before your light bulb and measure its spectrum. You should place it in front of you and your wife and measure what wavelengths and at what intensities come towards you. This, mainly because there will be some scattered light which reaches the place that you sleep.
As far as the spectrum of the lamp is concerned, some of them must have specifications from the manufacturer, so you could see exactly what is the peak wavelength and the intensity distribution.
 

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