How to understand power stage circuits with transistors (undergrad level)?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the operation of power stage circuits with transistors, specifically focusing on the role of biasing resistors in a push-pull amplifier configuration and how to calculate power gain. Participants explore the functioning of bipolar transistors, the significance of biasing, and the implications of circuit design on performance metrics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the purpose of the biasing resistors R1 and R2, seeking clarification on their role in providing quiescent base current for the transistors.
  • Another participant explains that biasing is necessary to keep the transistors slightly "on" to respond to input signals, describing the operation of a push-pull amplifier.
  • It is noted that the power gain can be calculated by comparing input and output power, with a specific example provided that yields a power gain of approximately 125.
  • A participant suggests that the power gain might actually be 72.5, raising a question about the influence of the two 1 kOhm resistors on this calculation.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the operation of the circuit, emphasizing that at any given time, only one of the resistors is conducting current, depending on the polarity of the input signal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculation of power gain, with one suggesting a value of 125 and another proposing 72.5. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct power gain value.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for a strong input signal to drive the output transistors effectively, and the complexity of real amplifiers which may involve multiple stages of transistors and biasing. There is also an acknowledgment of the limitations of the simple schematic discussed.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for undergraduate students studying electronics, particularly those interested in amplifier design and the operation of bipolar transistors in power stage circuits.

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When I look at some circuits, I often get overwhelmed when there are transistors and diodes and I have no idea how to make much sense of it at a detailed level. For example, in this power stage B amplifier, what is the point of the resistors ## R_1 ## and ## R_2 ## in the circuit? Furthermore, how are they set if we have a power gain target in mind?
Hi,

When I look at some circuits, I often get overwhelmed when there are transistors and diodes and I have no idea how to make much sense of it at a detailed level. For example, in this power stage B amplifier, what is the point of the resistors ## R_1 ## and ## R_2 ## in the circuit? Furthermore, how are they set if we have a power gain target in mind?

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1) What is the point of the biasing resistors?
I read that "R1 and R2 are necessary to bias the diodes and to provide a small quiescent base current bias for Q1 and Q2"
Might be a silly question, but what does that actually mean?

2) How do we use this circuit to find what the 'power gain' is?

Apologies if the question isn't clear. Perhaps I just need to find a clear explanation of this circuit online, but all these online tutorial websites don't seem to provide information in a useful way for me.

Many thanks in advance
 
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A bipolar transistor is naturally "off" unless we inject a small current into the base. So no current flows from emitter to collector until we do something. The purpose of the bias is to turn the transistor slightly "on" so it is ready to respond to a signal. With a push-pull amplifier like this, each transistor handles half of the sine wave, taking it in turns to fully conduct.
I notice that the two transistors are arranged in the Emitter Follower arrangement. In this case, very roughly the input and output voltages are the same. So Vsig appears across both the input and output. The power it is delivering is V^2/R. So at the input, Vsig is driving a 1000 Ohm resistor and the input power is V^2/1000. At the output, a voltage equal to Vsig is driving 8 Ohms. So the output power is V^2/8. The ratio of output to input power gives us the power gain, which is approx V^2/8 . 1000/V^2 = 1000/8 = 125.
Due to the push-pull action, each transistor works for half the time, but the result for power gain is the same as for a single ended amplifier.
 
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@Master1022 Well think about it, the schematic shows two bipolar transistors one being PNP and the other NPN. I suggest you first google about how bipolar transistors work and then this simple schematic will become more clear for you.

In short bipolar transistors work as current controlled switches. For a given applied current to the transistors base, a given larger current will flow from emitter to collector.

Now what you want in an amplifier is that your input signal controls your current and so controls your output but as you can probably see you cannot just connect your input signal positive to both transistor bases at the same time as that won't work so you need to connect the transistor bases in a circuit and then connect the input signal to that circuit. Remember that amplifier inputs are time varying waveforms so whenever the waveform is positive current flows in one direction while when the waveform reverses current flows in the other direction , this then makes the current to flow in the resistor biased diode connected circuit and eventually "drives" the bipolar transistors.
Think of it as a much smaller current controlling a much larger one.The resistors bias the transistor bases to a certain voltage , lower than the supply voltage, the values are high so that very small current flows through them.
The input signal path is then the one that controls the base current.
Note that this is a very simple schematic and real amplifier employ multiple stages of transistors and biasing because each stage can only amplify the input signal by a certain amount. For a single stage schematic you would need a very strong input signal to drive the output transistors directly. as for your second question @tech99 already beat me to it.
 
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Thank you @tech99 and @artis for your replies. This definitely makes more sense now.

Just a quick follow up, should the power gain be 72.5 instead of 125? I was thinking this because there are two 1 kOhm resistors
 
@Master1022 at any given time the input signal is only passing current through one of the resistors not both.
For example when the input signal is positive (the positive half cycle of a sine wave test signal for example) current then goes to the negative rail of the amplifier through the resistor. When the input signal changes polarity to negative current goes to the other side.
Also as you can see there are diodes in series so for given polarity input signal current can only go one way as it would be blocked from going in the other direction.

At the output on the other hand the load is always 8ohm irrespective of which way the current flows.
 

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