How to verify the Energy delivered by Lithium ion battery?

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The discussion focuses on verifying the energy and capacity delivered by a lithium-ion battery, with a user calculating these metrics using specific formulas. The user observed a total accumulated energy of around 7 Wh and a capacity of approximately 2500 mAh, which exceeds the nominal capacity of 2250 mAh. Several factors are suggested for this discrepancy, including manufacturing tolerances, battery degradation, and the potential for voltage fluctuations affecting calculations. It is noted that the formulas used may contain errors, particularly in the calculation of capacity, as the user is advised to simplify their approach by measuring discharge time rather than voltage. Accurate energy measurement is emphasized, suggesting that sampling both voltage and current for fluctuating values will yield better results.
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How to verify the Energy and Capacity delivered by the Lithium Ion battery?

I have a Lithium ion batter with below configuration:
Nominal Voltage 4.2 V
Nominal capacity 2250 mAh

I am calculating the energy and capacity every second for my experiments.

I use below formula to calculate the energy and capacity calculation:

consider initial V= 4v and constant current I= 5A
E = P * t --> E-energy,P-Power,t-time in hour
eg: E= 20 * (1/3600) = 0.005

C = (E * 1000)/V --> C-capacity, V-voltage
Eg: C = (0.005 *1000)/4 = 1.25 mAh

I have discharged the battery from 4.1V to 2.5V
I added the energy and capacity from every second.

Total accumulated Energy I got was around 7 wh and capacity is around 2500 mAh

Capacity which i got was more than the rated capacity.

I really don't know where i did the mistake or this was expected.

A small help,will be highly appreciated.

Thank you.
 
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I haven't checked your sums but there are at least four possibilities..

1) 2250mAH is the nominal capacity not the maximum. Manufacturing tolerances mean you might have a good one.

2) Batteries degrade over time. A battery is typically considered to have reached the end of it's life when it's capacity falls to 80% of it's specified capacity. One way to achieve long life by that definition is to start with slightly more than the specified capacity.

3) The specified capacity might not be measured down to 2.5V. It's not really a good idea to go below 3V regularly or you can effect the life of the cell. The specification might assume a different end voltage than you used.

4) Capacity probably varies with temperature and current draw. The specified capacity will assume some worse case that might not match your experiment.
 
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PS: I once had a discussion with a company that matched NiMH cells into racing packs for model cars. They said that according to their tests the capacity of some cheap cells varied by up to 30% batch to batch. I don't know if the same applies to li cells.
 
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CWatters said:
I haven't checked your sums but there are at least four possibilities..

1) 2250mAH is the nominal capacity not the maximum. Manufacturing tolerances mean you might have a good one.

2) Batteries degrade over time. A battery is typically considered to have reached the end of it's life when it's capacity falls to 80% of it's specified capacity. One way to achieve long life by that definition is to start with slightly more than the specified capacity.

3) The specified capacity might not be measured down to 2.5V. It's not really a good idea to go below 3V regularly or you can effect the life of the cell. The specification might assume a different end voltage than you used.

4) Capacity probably varies with temperature and current draw. The specified capacity will assume some worse case that might not match your experiment.
yeah you are right it is nominal capacity,but i really don't know why my calculated capacity is really high than expected . On thing i suspect is, i get fluctuation in voltage due to Battery management unit,because of that the Energy get the fluctuation(this fluctuated values might get added up). From this energy, the capacity should also have this fluctuated value. So I have now this basic question, is the formulas i used to calculate the energy and capacity (for every second) are correct? If not could you please tell me what's the mistake?
 
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SIvakumaran said:
I use below formula to calculate the energy and capacity calculation:

consider initial V= 4v and constant current I= 5A
E = P * t --> E-energy,P-Power,t-time in hour
eg: E= 20 * (1/3600) = 0.005

C = (E * 1000)/V --> C-capacity, V-voltage
Eg: C = (0.005 *1000)/4 = 1.25 mAh

That seems a bit of a roundabout way to calculate the capacity in mAH. There is also an error because 5A for 1 second = 1.4mAH. Looks like a rounding error as 20 * (1/3600) = 0.0055555 recurring.

Since you are discharging at a constant current all you really need to do is measure how long it takes to discharge the battery in hours and multiply by 5000. No need to measure the voltage for that calculation. If you look at your sums you are multiplying by V and then dividing by V again.

If you also want the capacity in kWH then since the current is constant all you need do is add up all the voltage samples and multiply the result by 5 to give the answer in Joules. To convert the capacity in Joules to kWH divide by 1000 * 3600.
 
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CWatters said:
If you also want the capacity in kWH then since the current is constant all you need do is add up all the voltage samples and multiply the result by 5 to give the answer in Joules. To convert the capacity in Joules to kWH divide by 1000 * 3600.

PS If the current and voltage are fluctuating then the best approach is to sample both and multiply together to give the energy in joules. Add them all up and then convert to kWH.
 
I was looking at lithium polymer cell ratings recently, where each had two associated mAhr figures. I assumed one to be a measure of the energy available without compromising the cell's life, and the other to indicate the absolute total energy held by the cell. My understanding is that you need to connect these cells to the charger before they drain to less than around 12% of full charge; total discharge being their ruination because it allows undesirable chemical products to form.
 
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