How was the Earth's Orbit Derived?

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The Earth's orbit around the Sun is derived from Newton's law of gravity and motion, which also leads to Kepler's laws. While Kepler's laws may appear simpler, a deeper understanding requires calculus. The mass of Earth is negligible compared to the Sun, allowing for the approximation that Earth orbits around the Sun's center without needing Earth's mass for orbital calculations. Initial estimates of the Sun's mass were made by Newton using his formulation of Kepler's Third Law, rather than from eclipse data or gas density. Understanding the engineering and experimental approaches to these calculations can be explored further through the history of astronomy.
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Could someone explain the idea, method of how Earth orbit was derived, in non-mathematical terms (well, some math is fine too)? I am more interested in the (ingenious) engineering/experimental approach behind it. I guess it's related to or requires the determination of Earth mass, and from the thread by that name I got the picture of how Earth mass was first estimated and then refined. Now, what about Earth's orbit? It's distance to Sun, Sun's mass, etc.? Was Sun's mass first estimated using its size estimate (from eclipse data) and gas density?

Thanks in advance.
 
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mdeng said:
Could someone explain the idea, method of how Earth orbit was derived, in non-mathematical terms (well, some math is fine too)? I am more interested in the (ingenious) engineering/experimental approach behind it.
The orbit of Earth around Sun is described by Newton's law of gravity and by Newton's laws of motion, no way to avoid mathematics. From Newton's laws you can derive Kepler's laws, which were historically discovered as the first. Kepler's laws seem to involve less math at the first glance, but if you want to really understand them, you cannot avoid the calculus (as for Newton's laws). If you are more interested in the observational data and the way they were gathered, try to google for "history of astronomy".

mdeng said:
I guess it's related to or requires the determination of Earth mass
As the mass of Earth is negligible in comparison to the mass of Sun, the Earth's mass is not required in order to determine the approximate orbital data, as we can pretend that Earth is orbiting around the center of Sun.

mdeng said:
Was Sun's mass first estimated using its size estimate (from eclipse data) and gas density?
No, the first estimates were performed by Newton using his derivation of the Third law of Kepler.
 
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