I cannot understand the reactions?

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The discussion revolves around the writing of chemical reactions, specifically how stoichiometry, atomic configuration, and reaction conditions influence the products formed from the same reactants. Participants explore the implications of different reactant ratios and the complexity of reaction pathways.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether chemical reactions are determined by stoichiometry, atomic configuration, or assumptions, using specific examples of reactions involving PbS and O2.
  • It is noted that different proportions of reactants lead to different products, with specific ratios required for producing PbO versus PbSO4.
  • One participant suggests that multiple products can arise from the same reactants depending on conditions, emphasizing that reactions are often simplified in theoretical representations.
  • Another participant highlights the complexity of determining which products will form under varying conditions, particularly contrasting organic and inorganic reactions.
  • There is a contention regarding the idea that mixing reactants in specific ratios guarantees certain products, with one participant arguing that excess reactants can still lead to alternative reactions.

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Participants express differing views on the role of stoichiometry and conditions in determining reaction products. There is no consensus on how strictly the ratios dictate the outcomes of reactions, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the influence of reaction conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of theoretical yields versus actual yields and the potential for side reactions, which complicate the understanding of reaction pathways.

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Actually, I want to how the chemical reactions are written. Is it based on stoichiometry or atomic configuration or just by assumption, For eg.
2PbS + 3O2 → 2 PbO + 2SO2
PbS + 2O2 → PbSO4
look at these reactions they have same compounds but different products. How is it happening?
 
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They have different proportions of each compound. In first reaction, PbS : O2 ratio is 2:3, but it is 1:2 in second reaction.
 
Then it is about stoichiomtery which determines the reaction ?
 
Yes, if you want to get PbO, then you need to mix PbS and O2 in the ratio of 2:3. If you want to get PbSO4, then you need to mix PbS and O2 in the ratio of 1:2. :-)
 
Multiple reaction products may be produced from the same reactants depending on the exact conditions and the nature of the reactants.
Reactions are often written as if they are "ideal". In other words, they are written as if those other reactions cannot occur. But this is just a simplification.

Vengo said:
Actually, I want to how the chemical reactions are written. Is it based on stoichiometry or atomic configuration

Under the maximum "theoretical yield", they are one and the same. But the actual yield is often less than the theoretical yield due to side reactions.
 
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The question under which conditions which products will form is a very complicated one. It is better understood in the case of reactions involving organic compounds than for inorganic ones. A well known example is the reaction of toluene (methylbenzene) with Cl2. If a catalyst is present, Cl2 will be split into Cl##^+## and Cl##^-## and the Cl##^+## will attack the benzene ring. Without catalyst and at higher temperatures or when energy is provided by an intensive light source, the Cl2 will be split into two Cl atoms which attack preferentially the methyl group.
 
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Yes, if you want to get PbO, then you need to mix PbS and O2 in the ratio of 2:3. If you want to get PbSO4, then you need to mix PbS and O2 in the ratio of 1:2. :-)

No, that's not how it works. Even if you mix PbS and O2 in the exact 2:3 ratio nothing can stop them from reacting according to the second reaction equation just leaving excess unreacted PbS.
 
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