I don't understand integral operators

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The discussion revolves around understanding integral operators, specifically Volterra integral operators, and their inverses. The original poster is trying to grasp the meaning of an operator acting on the inverse of another operator, represented as A(B-1(f))(x).

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  • Participants explore the concept of an operator acting on another operator and the implications of the inverse operator. Questions arise about the nature of the inverse operator and how it relates to solving integral equations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concept of inverse integral operators, with some suggesting that the inverse may be known or derived from the kernel. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in finding the inverse and the conditions under which it may be expressed in closed form.

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There is uncertainty regarding the existence and uniqueness of the inverse operator, as well as the specific form it may take depending on the kernel used in the integral operator.

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Homework Statement



I am struggling to understand the meaning behind: an operator of an operator:
Let A and B be 2 volterra integral operators.
If A and B are 2 integral operators, what does the following mean:

[itex](\textbf{A}) (\textbf{B}^{-1}(f))(x)[/itex]


Homework Equations


We have the following definition of the operator:
[itex](\textbf{B}f)(x)=\int_0^x K(t,x)f(t)dt[/itex] (1)

The Attempt at a Solution



I guess:
The operator A will act on the inverse of operator B.

I don't understand what the inverse operator means.
If the operator [itex]\textbf{B}[/itex] is given by equation (1), what is its inverse [itex]\textbf{B}^{-1}(f)(x)[/itex]?


Thank you very much in advance.
 
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There is such a thing as an operator acting on an operator, but I think you are talking about a composition of operator.

so A B^-1 f
means do A to what you get when you undo B from f

Depending on the situation one might solve your equation (1) to compute B^-1 f
Other times one knows that
[itex](B^{-1}f)(x)=\int_0^x K_1 (t,x)f(t)dt[/itex]
For some K1
That can be quite difficult at time to compute from K, sometimes we need only to know that the function exists.
 
Thank you very much.

''Depending on the situation one might solve your equation (1) to compute B^-1 f''

OK, So, let's say K(t,x)=sin(t-x).
I will solve:

[itex]\int_0^x K(t,x)f(t) dt=g(x)[/itex] (2)

for some function g(x).

Once I have solved this, I will have a solution for f(x) in terms of the function g(x).
How will I have the inverse operator [itex](\textbf{B^{-1}}f)(x)[/itex]?
Will the inverse operator be the solution of the integral equation (2)?
 
I think that lurllurf is saying that there are times when you are fortunate enough to know that the inverse of the integral operator is also an integral operator which may be prescribed by some integrability kernel. In such a case, there are things you can do you track down the form of the kernel. However, this is certainly not always true.

I am slightly confused by your above example though. If you have the kernel corresponding to the inverse, you do not need to do any solving of one function in terms of the other: you already have a closed form of the inverse!
 
We already have a closed form of the inverse?

So, if the operator [itex](\textbf{B}f)(x)[/itex]
is given by
[itex](\textbf{B}f)(x)=\int_0^x sin(t-x)f(t)dt[/itex],

the what would the inverse be?
[itex](\textbf{B^{-1}}f)(x)[/itex]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, I think I'm confused about what an inverse integral operator is.
 
fred_91 said:
We already have a closed form of the inverse?

So, if the operator [itex](\textbf{B}f)(x)[/itex]
is given by
[itex](\textbf{B}f)(x)=\int_0^x sin(t-x)f(t)dt[/itex],

the what would the inverse be?
[itex](\textbf{B^{-1}}f)(x)[/itex]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, I think I'm confused about what an inverse integral operator is.

If ##B(g) = f##, then ##g = B^{-1}(f).## Essentially, ##B^{-1}(f)## is the solution of the integral equation ##B(g) = f##. Of course, there will be issues of existence and uniqueness, etc.
 
If you have done some linear algebra it is quite analogous.
In linear algebra one might need to compute
AB-1x
the operation Ax can (given a basis) be found by a sum (analogous to the integral in integral operators)
[tex]Ax=\sum_{k=1}^n A_{jk}x_k[/tex]
we might compute the inverse of B then we do A to B-1 done to x
If the inverse cannot be found accurately and inexpensively we might prefer to first solve
By=x for y
There are many methods we might use like iterative and direct methods
and then
AB-1x=Ay

So back to integral operators,
often to compute
AB-1x
we solve
Bg=f for g then
AB-1f=Ag
Using whatever method we like
On a lucky day we might know the general expression for B-1 from software, a table, a usual method or whatever.
Then
AB-1f is easily computed
find y=B-1f
then AB-1f=Ay

No examples came to me so I got this one
http://eqworld.ipmnet.ru/en/solutions/ie/ie0124.pdf
here
http://eqworld.ipmnet.ru/en/solutions/ie/ie-toc1.htm
[tex]By(x)=\int_a^x \cos [ \lambda (x-t) ] y(t) \mathop{\text{dt}}=f(x)[/tex]
with f(a)=0 of course, then
[tex]B^{-1}f(x)=f ^\prime (x)+\lambda^2 \int_a^x f(t) \mathop{\text{dt}}=y(x)[/tex]
a particular example
[tex]B^{-1}x^2=(x^2) ^\prime +3^2 \int_0^x t^2 \mathop{\text{dt}}=2x+3x^3[/tex]
so
[tex]B(2x+3x^3)=\int_0^x \cos [ 3 (x-t) ] (2t+3t^3) \mathop{\text{dt}}=x^2[/tex]
 
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