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The problem involves calculating the magnetic field and force associated with four wires positioned at the corners of a square, each carrying equal currents. The specific focus is on determining the x-component of the force on one wire due to the magnetic fields generated by the other three wires.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of superposition to calculate the magnetic field and the force on the wire segment. There are attempts to apply the force formula and considerations of the directionality of the magnetic field and force.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the need to account for the vector nature of the magnetic field and force. There is ongoing exploration of the calculations, with one participant expressing uncertainty about their results and seeking clarification on potential errors.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of considering the geometry of the setup, including the angles involved in the force calculations, and the implications of the wire lengths in determining the force. There is mention of a previous part of the problem that has been solved, which may influence the current discussion.

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Homework Statement



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The four wires that lie at the corners of a square of side a= 3.50 cm are carrying equal currents i= 2.10 A into (+) or out of (-) the page, as shown in the picture.

Part A: Calculate the y component of the magnetic field at the center of the square. ( I already got the answer for this one) 4.80×10-5 T

Part B: Calculate the x-component of the force on a 1.0-cm long piece of the lower right-hand wire, due to the other three wires.

Homework Equations



B=(mu*I)/(2*pi*r)
mu=4*pi*a0^-7 T*m/A

The Attempt at a Solution



I need help in the second part. I don't know where to start.
 
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OsDaJu said:
I need help in the second part. I don't know where to start.

Welcome to PF.

You will need to solve by superposition for the B field as in a).

Then you will want to take into account the length of the wire segment in determining the force

F = IL X B

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magfor.html#c1
 
Okay, so I know that B is always perpendicular to Force so B2 is zero in the y direction, F2 is zero in the x direction.
then the superposition is:

B total = B1y + B3y
B total = μI/(2π0.0350)*1/√2 + μI/(2π0.0350)
B total = 2.0485*10^-5 T

Using the force formula,

F = BIL
=2.0485*10^-5 *2.1*0.01= 4.3019*10^-7 N

I did all of this and I got the wrong answer, what am I missing??

P.S: sorry for the delay I had a busy week.
 
OsDaJu said:
Okay, so I know that B is always perpendicular to Force so B2 is zero in the y direction, F2 is zero in the x direction.
then the superposition is:

B total = B1y + B3y
B total = μI/(2π0.0350)*1/√2 + μI/(2π0.0350)
B total = 2.0485*10^-5 T

Using the force formula,

F = BIL
=2.0485*10^-5 *2.1*0.01= 4.3019*10^-7 N

I did all of this and I got the wrong answer, what am I missing??

P.S: sorry for the delay I had a busy week.

What you want is the x-directed force component.

The B-Field is a vector field, and the force component from the diagonal has a cos45 factor still needed to normalize it to x.

Btotal = 1.2 * 10-5 + (.707)(.8 * 10-5)
 
Thank you!
 

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