Ideal gases thermodynamic enthelpy and internal energy change

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The discussion revolves around the thermodynamic concepts of enthalpy and internal energy changes in ideal gases, specifically focusing on the relationship between specific heat at constant pressure (Cp) and its representation on a molar basis. Participants are attempting to clarify equations and conversions related to these concepts, as well as addressing confusion regarding units and numerical values from provided data.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the transition from Cp/R to R/M in the context of enthalpy change equations, expressing confusion about the underlying principles.
  • Another participant clarifies that Cp is derived from the polynomial function given for Cp/R, indicating that Cp is R times this polynomial.
  • There is a discussion about the units involved, with one participant expressing uncertainty about the variables and their representations, particularly in relation to the numerical values provided in the attachments.
  • One participant confirms that R/M serves as a conversion factor to adjust Cp from a molar basis back to a mass basis.

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Participants appear to have differing levels of understanding regarding the equations and their implications, with some clarifications being made but no consensus reached on the overall confusion surrounding the problem.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the equations and the specific definitions of variables, as well as unresolved questions about the numerical values and their appropriate use in calculations.

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Homework Statement


See attachment ecxample001.

Homework Equations



See attachment D11.

The Attempt at a Solution


In the first equation (Cp/R = a+bT+cT^2...etc.), Cp/R is the constant pressure specific heat. The general formula for enthalpy change is h2-h1 = integral[Cp]dT, so does Cp/R = Cp except Cp/R is the constant pressure specific heat on a molar basis?

Then in the next line of formula in the solution (h2-h1 = R/M integral (a+bT...)dT) how did it go from Cp/R to R/M? I'm totally lost in this. And by the formula do I seriously plug in these huge numbers (from D11)? I tried plugging it in and get keep getting somethign to the 17th power. I'm also very confused on the units, as there's a lot of variables and I'm not very clear on them and what they represent. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
 

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It looks like the numbers in the chart are intended to be between 1 and 25 in absolute value. Values for b are premultiplied by 1000. C by 1M and d by 1B. So the value d for CO2 would be 2.002X10^-9.
 
thanks i know that from the chart. So how did the problem go from cp/R to R/M?
 
Enthalpy change is integral of CpdT. They give you Cp/R as function of temperature on a molar basis. So Cp is R times the polynomial. The M comes from the fact it is a mass basis.
 
So R/M is merely a conversion factor to get Cp molar basis back to the regular Cp?
Thanks a lot man.
 

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