If a and b divide n prove or disprove that a.b divides n.

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The discussion revolves around the divisibility of a product of two integers, a and b, in relation to a third integer n, under the condition that both a and b divide n. Participants explore whether the product a.b necessarily divides n, with a focus on positive integers.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants examine a proof attempt that assumes a.b does not divide n and leads to a contradiction, questioning its sufficiency. Others introduce examples, such as the divisors of 12, to illustrate potential issues with the claim. The role of relative primality and the implications of the greatest common divisor (G.C.D) are also discussed.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations and counterexamples being explored. Some participants suggest that the statement may hold under specific conditions, such as when a and b are relatively prime, while others provide counterexamples that challenge the original assertion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the integers a, b, and n are positive, and there is an emphasis on the implications of the G.C.D and L.C.M in relation to the divisibility of n.

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Homework Statement


If a and b divide n prove or disprove that a.b divides n.[a,b,n are positive intergers]


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Suppose a.b does not divide n.
Then [itex]\frac{n}{a.b}[/itex]=I [I must not be a postitive interger]
[itex]\frac{n}{a.b}[/itex]=[itex]\frac{1}{a}[/itex].[itex]\frac{n}{b}[/itex] since a divides n it follows that n=a.x where x is a positive interger.

Therefore[itex]\frac{x}{b}[/itex]=I
This implies that the quotient of two positive intergers cannot be an interger and this is a contradiction.

I have a feeling this proof is not sufficient since it is a only a contradiction in certain cases where b divides x. If anybody could tell me if this proof is sufficient and/or give me a better one that would be appreciated.
 
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Think of a number with a lot of divisors, say 12 :

Divisors are : 2,3,4,6, 12...

Can you spot an issue with the products?
 
Is it that the products can be more than the original number 12 and therefore clearly don't divide 12.
 
Right. 4|12, and 6|12 , but (4)(6)=24. Your statement, (I think) , would be true,if

you restricted yourself to divisors of n smaller than Sqr(n) , the square root of n.
 
That does makes sense that would work and I also think it would work if the a and b were relative primes such that (a,b)=1.
 
You're right, 6|300 and 15|300, but 90 does not. This is also a counter to the

original of a different type--since 90<300 ,so that it could in theory divide it.

Maybe this counterargument would also work:

If a|n and b|n implied ab|n without qualification,then we could extend this to :

a|n and ab|n would imply a(ab)|n . Then a(ab)|n and b|n would imply a(ab)b|n ,...
 
however, if the G.C.D of a and b is 1, then ab does divide n.
In general, the L.C.M of a and b does divide n by definition.
 

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