Why not look at their literature?gwnorth said:@CrysPhys so the Community College route is 2 years at the CC followed by 2 years at a 4 year college? Would the courses at the CC go beyond those that are common to all streams of engineering or would they already begin to specialize?
gwnorth said:@CrysPhys so the Community College route is 2 years at the CC followed by 2 years at a 4 year college? Would the courses at the CC go beyond those that are common to all streams of engineering or would they already begin to specialize?
About as you guessed. Community College takes a student through the first 2 years (depending) of Bachelor's degree in something; and a university takes a student through the next 2 years or so (depending) toward the Bachelor's degree.sophiecentaur said:Why not look at their literature?
Programs are specific to each community college. Some students complete a 2-yr Associates Degree program and stop. Others transfer to a 4-yr college/university and complete a Bachelor's Degree. Depending on the specific arrangements between a specific community college and a specific 4-yr college/university, the graduate of the community college can transfer in as a junior to the 4-yr college/university and complete the Bachelor's in 2 additional yrs (total time for Bachelor's is then still 4 yrs in this instance).gwnorth said:@CrysPhys so the Community College route is 2 years at the CC followed by 2 years at a 4 year college? Would the courses at the CC go beyond those that are common to all streams of engineering or would they already begin to specialize?
I wasn't referring to the names of the courses. I was referring to the course content. That should all be available. Naturally, the description may not be in the sort of terms that a prospective student would easily decypher but that's the sort of thing that PF could help with.symbolipoint said:About as you guessed. Community College takes a student through the first 2 years (depending) of Bachelor's degree in something; and a university takes a student through the next 2 years or so (depending) toward the Bachelor's degree.
That's almost criminally vague, for helping you make a choice. But the course seems as if its claiming to be 'vocational' rather than academic. A lot of teaching establishments are more concerned with 'bums on seats' than actually teaching something useful. If you want to find out more then sift through their website, department by department. I bet you could find out some more than they volunteered. Also, look at their record of academic success. That must surely have been published every year. i.e. which students went where after attending.CrysPhys said:"The course is designed to help students to develop skills such as: communication, time management, group work. Lectures are supported by videos and guest speakers to expose students to different engineering disciplines and functions. Students will be introduced to all campus resources and services."
<<Emphasis added.>> The course matrix I cited above is specifically geared for students who plan to transfer to a 4-yr college/university to complete a Bachelor's Degree.sophiecentaur said:That's almost criminally vague, for helping you make a choice. But the course seems as if its claiming to be 'vocational' rather than academic. A lot of teaching establishments are more concerned with 'bums on seats' than actually teaching something useful. If you want to find out more then sift through their website, department by department. I bet you could find out some more than they volunteered. Also, look at their record of academic success. That must surely have been published every year. i.e. which students went where after attending.
1. What specific things in science are you interested in?StatGuy2000 said:@SeasonalBeef ,
Throughout this thread, there have been a number of posts (particularly @CrysPhys in post # 23) that have asked you a number of questions which you never replied. Among these questions include the following:
1. What specific things in science are you interested in?
2. Do you like taking things apart and putting them back together?
3. Have you ever participated in science fairs?
4. Do you like programming?
5. Do you like to work with circuits? Have you worked with circuits before?
6. Do you like mixing different chemicals and see what happens?
(I'm sure there are other questions which I've missed)
Answering the questions above can help those of us on PF and yourself determine what types of engineering (if any) will best suit your interests.
This isn't meant to be snarky. But I highly recommend that you hit the pause button, and rethink your current plans ... especially since you're starting college much later than a typical high school grad. Your answers to the above survey just don't jive at all with a previous post of yours:SeasonalBeef said:1. What specific things in science are you interested in?
I don't know. I like most of it I guess. The problem solving. The learning about how things work. But mostly it's a subject I typically get A's in. I'm good at it. One if my best subjects. That and maths.2. Do you like taking things apart and putting them back together?
It's not something I've ever done. I'm sure I'd be able to learn to enjoy it though.
3. Have you ever participated in science fairs?
I think once or twice in elementary school.
4. Do you like programming?
I've never programed before
5. Do you like to work with circuits? Have you worked with circuits before?
Never worked on them.
6. Do you like mixing different chemicals and see what happens?
I actually like the chemical equation solving and balancing more.
ETA:SeasonalBeef said:Yeah no on the whole patent law. Law, politics, and government I'd rather stay away from. I have an engineering mind. I want to be an engineer. Just not sure which engineering. I want to stay out of law, politics, government because it's not my mindset. I'm going for engineering. That's that. My minds made up. It's set in stone. My heart is set for engineering. It speaks to the way I think. I have trouble understanding a lot of things. But engineering, math, science, well I take it in like air. I'm not going to squander my potential in a patent office. I need a career that challenges me. That fulfills me. My father found his, I'll find mine. Engineering is where I'm going and I won't settle for anything else.
I can only speak for the UK system but I do know that many Bachelor's Degree courses are very vocational in content and, however good they are, will tend to prepare the students for a particular specialism -OR- give a very wide range of information with not a very theoretical basis.CrysPhys said:a 4-yr college/university to complete a Bachelor's Degree.
That's different from the use of "vocational" in the US. Typically, in the US "vocational schools" offer a 1-yr or 2-yr program after high school, resulting in a certificate or Associate's Degree. Many community colleges offer a vocational track for students planning to get a job after a 2-yr program and an academic track for students planning to transfer to a college/university to complete a Bachelor's Degree.sophiecentaur said:I can only speak for the UK system but I do know that many Bachelor's Degree courses are very vocational in content and, however good they are, will tend to prepare the students for a particular specialism -OR- give a very wide range of information with not a very theoretical basis.
Just "trying" or "planning"? Doubtful. Merely "fantasizing"? Grossly inadequate.sophiecentaur said:PS You have been asked a number of questions here but I think the bottom line would be "Have you ever tried, planned or even fantacised about mending or modifying an 'engineered' system in your life?"
Actually "hands-on doing"? That's dispositive.sophiecentaur said:If your home / bike / car is all in perfect working order through your efforts the I could be fairly certain that you are an Engineer at heart.
I really don't see why I have to have had done those things previous to have to become an engineer. Just because I never did those things doesn't mean they aren't things I'd want to do or would have liked to have done.CrysPhys said:This isn't meant to be snarky. But I highly recommend that you hit the pause button, and rethink your current plans ... especially since you're starting college much later than a typical high school grad. Your answers to the above survey just don't jive at all with a previous post of yours:
You did ask for opinions and it would be unusual if all opinions were the same as yours. We, as Engineers mostly, gave reasons why we took it up. We also have collective experience of people who were not suited to real world Engineering. From your answers, I feel your attitude to and experience of the subject may not be altogether suitable. That is not a criticism, any more than suggesting someone with size 12 feet would probably find size 8 shoes not very comfortable.SeasonalBeef said:ohwilleke is one of if the only one to post actual solutions.
The question and the response are two very different things. Your liking to solve chemical equations or written reactions is still a good thing. Now go back and think about the QUESTION. Do you like to MIX different chemicals (or other materials) to see what happens?SeasonalBeef said:6. Do you like mixing different chemicals and see what happens?
I actually like the chemical equation solving and balancing more.
Very important is to identify specific parts of Engineering you want to participate in, as you go. You would soon need to know what specific jobs you want to do, as an engineer.SeasonalBeef said:IM GOING INTO ENGINEERING. and my whole thread, this whole thread about which field should I go into, is all based on my need for control. I want to have a road map. And idea. A way to navigate towards what I may want to do.
If you look carefully, objectively, and dispassionately at my Reply #23 and StatGuy2000's follow-up Reply #55, you would realize that they do give you a method for deciding what field of engineering (if any) would best suit you. But since my advice is not welcome, I will wish you luck, and drop out of this thread.SeasonalBeef said:But look at ohwilleke's reply in reply #15. I presented a problem they presented tools and resources I could utilize to help solve that problem. I don't care to debate why I want to be an engineer. I'm going for it. Don't try to talk me out of it through some selfish desire to help me. It's not helping me it's only helping you feel better by thinking your helping but you aren't.
ohwilleke is one of if the only one to post actual solutions.
"Your background does not scream "engineering" to me"hutchphd said:Let me be uncharacteristically positive. Making life decisions is difficult and far from foolproof. They are nearly always impossible to guarantee as to correctness. But the act of deciding is a really important step, and allows other decisions to follow.
You have chosen engineering. Your background does not scream "engineering" to me but what the f*** do I know about you. You need to pursue it with energy. If you don't know exactly which flavor then choose the one that has the stiffest math and physics requirements (it will be easier to switch if desired). But do not foreclose any opportunity because "the decision is made" You have no idea what the future will offer.
A favorite from Teddy Roosevelt:
"In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing."
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I cannot find a "Reaction" to click , and I do not know how to react. If you believe that Engineering is the choice you want to make, then make that choice and follow the program which your counselors guide you into. You WILL NEED to make your own choices as you go.SeasonalBeef said:"Your background does not scream "engineering" to me"
I don't have an engineering background by why is that necessary? I mean I'm good at math and science and I like it. To me that's enough. If I were however to go into a field I have background in then it would be a live in care taker as I spent a lot of time doing that for my mom who was bedridden most of the time especially after my dad died. But I don't want to that. I did it out of nessessity. My life was on hold for a long time almost right out of high school.
I don't get the whole need to have an engineering background to pursue engineering. Maybe it's something that I feel is right for me. Plus math and science are my best subject.
"If you don't know exactly which flavor then choose the one that has the stiffest math and physics requirements"
I would like to take more chemistry classes than what is normally required. I really really like chemistry. Though I find more enjoyment in the lectures than I do the lab. Not to say lab is boring, it's fun just the lecture part I get more enthralled in.
Quote is from one of your earlier posts on this topic.SeasonalBeef said:My question is how do I find my right engineering focus? What resources can I utilize to better narrow that? Where I am able to learn all the various different engineering focuses. I have time to figure it out but why wait? The sooner I start looking the better. More time to figure out what I want.
Can I attend engineering programs at a university even if I don't attend it and have not yet taken any classes regarding engineering except some math and science prerequisite classes? The community college I go to doesn't really have many programs going on. Especially not since covid.symbolipoint said:Quote is from one of your earlier posts on this topic.
The best way to find what you want to know is, actually enroll in and attend an Engineering program; either directly at your chosen university, or if necessary starting at your local community college (and then later, transfer to a university). Much of what you want to know, nobody can answer for you. You just must study according to the program.
"You WILL NEED to make your own choices as you go."symbolipoint said:You WILL NEED to make your own choices as you go.
Your "engineering background" will just have to be what you do from now until you finally graduate with an Engineering degree. You are starting late, and catching-up is a very difficult thing to do. Much more needs to be said about this; but I am not ready to continue such right now in this topic.
Your community college should (I wish I could say MUST) have the typical common preparatory courses for every engineering student: Calculus 1,2,3,+some additional Math course, Physics of Mechanics, E&M, Modern, likely a couple of Biological Science courses, very likely two semesters of General Chemistry, and probably a small assortment of lower level Engineering courses. All of this would be only required academic preparation. You would find more, much more from a university program when you are ready. Other than the Mathematics courses, nearly all of the other courses come with laboratory components, a very necessary part of any Science or Engineering education.SeasonalBeef said:Can I attend engineering programs at a university even if I don't attend it and have not yet taken any classes regarding engineering except some math and science prerequisite classes? The community college I go to doesn't really have many programs going on. Especially not since covid.
Oh yeah they have that. I thought by engineering programs that meant like where they work on projects outside of normal classessymbolipoint said:Your community college should (I wish I could say MUST) have the typical common preparatory courses for every engineering student: Calculus 1,2,3,+some additional Math course, Physics of Mechanics, E&M, Modern, likely a couple of Biological Science courses, very likely two semesters of General Chemistry, and probably a small assortment of lower level Engineering courses. All of this would be only required academic preparation. You would find more, much more from a university program when you are ready. Other than the Mathematics courses, nearly all of the other courses come with laboratory components, a very necessary part of any Science or Engineering education.
Its your decision, not a debate topic, and you need to get going..hutchphd said:Your background does not scream "engineering" to me but what the f*** do I know about you. You need to pursue it with energy. If you don't know exactly which flavor then choose the one that has the stiffest math and physics requirements (it will be easier to switch if desired).
So, make a choice -- right now!SeasonalBeef said:But ultimately I need to choose one path to get a degree in.
hutchphd said:do not perseverate
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"Make a choice right now!"Astronuc said:So, make a choice -- right now!
Otherwise, make list of problems, or areas of application, that one finds interesting, and those that one finds uninteresting or objectionable for personal reasons. Then make a choice of engineering field based on the kinds of problems/areas one finds interesting or enjoyable.
I suspect that one's classmates, being students, have little experience to make convincing statements about careers as physicists.SeasonalBeef said:But some engineering classmates pushed me to go for engineering and make convincing arguments that a physics degree doesn't really get you anywhere and it's progress is SLOOOOOOW. Also the salary probsbly isn't that great.
Follow one's passion.SeasonalBeef said:Actually now that I'm talking about it I don't know if maybe I do want to go for being a Physicist. Or theoretical Physicist.
Well, that seems like a good choice, and an area that could have broader application and impacts. Think beyond buildings, but vehicles as well.SeasonalBeef said:But I like the idea of problem solving practical problems and honestly I'd really like to work on a project to help reduce head Island effects in cities like Phoenix. Maybe help invent or come up with the concept to create solar cells or something that can be placed on the outside of buildings so not only would it reduce the heat by absorbing it but also it turns it into electricity so it can reduce energy costs.
So true. Almost any level of Engineering training will give you a bit more savvy than the ignorant non-Engineers you will be dealing with. Spotting 'obvious' practical flaws in sales talk can save you a lot of money over the years.jonegrossman said:If you start your career as an engineer and turns out you don't like it, it's not a loss.