Impulse on ball involving angles

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The discussion focuses on calculating the impulse and average force of a ball with a mass of 0.40 kg that is initially moving at -20 m/s and then kicked to a velocity of 30 m/s at a 45-degree angle. The impulse is determined by finding the change in momentum, which involves breaking down the velocities into horizontal and vertical components. The correct change in velocity is calculated using Pythagorean theorem, resulting in a total change of approximately 46.3 m/s, leading to an impulse of 18.5 kg-m/s. The average force is then calculated as 1850 N based on the impulse and collision time of 0.010 s. The conversation highlights the importance of treating momentum and velocity as vectors when solving the problem.
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1. A ball of mass 0.40kg is moving to the left at a velocity v0=-20 m/s. It is kicked and given a velocity, at 45 degrees upwards to the right, of vf30[/sub] m/s.

1) Find the impulse of the force

2) Find the average force

The collision time is 0.010s



2. I = (delta) P

I = F (delta)t



3.

1) before p = 0.4x-20= -8
after 30x0.4=12

Change in p = 20Ns Where do the angles some in?

2) F=(delta)P/t=2000

Which is obviously wrong. They didn't include the angles for fun, so there something wrong in my working. Do I have to choose a line to work out the momentum across? ie, linear momentum. A bit confused. Any help appreciated.
 
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Momentum and velocity are vectors and must be treated as such.

\Delta \vec{v} = \vec{v}_f - \vec{v}_i

Hint: Break the vectors into components, then subtract them. That's where the angles come in.
 
Doc Al said:
Momentum and velocity are vectors and must be treated as such.

\Delta \vec{v} = \vec{v}_f - \vec{v}_i

Hint: Break the vectors into components, then subtract them. That's where the angles come in.

OK, so, 30cos45=21.2

21.2-(-20)=41.2

correct?
 
AdamNailor said:
OK, so, 30cos45=21.2

21.2-(-20)=41.2

correct?
So far, so good. You've correctly found the change in the horizontal component of the velocity. What about the vertical component? (Then find the magnitude of the total change in velocity.)
 
Doc Al said:
So far, so good. You've correctly found the change in the horizontal component of the velocity. What about the vertical component? (Then find the magnitude of the total change in velocity.)

well, sin 45 and cos45 are the same, so the vertical change is just sin45=21.2

So the total change in velocity is the total of the two, 21.2+41.2=62.4

So no to find the change in momentum I times 62.4 by the mass to get 24.96 ? which is the impulse?
 
AdamNailor said:
well, sin 45 and cos45 are the same. so, the change is just sin45=21.2
OK, the change in the vertical component of velocity is 21.2 - 0 = 21.2.
So the total change in velocity is the total of the two, 21.2+41.2=62.4
No, you can't just add horizontal and vertical components of a vector. How do you find the magnitude of a vector from its components?
 
Doc Al said:
No, you can't just add horizontal and vertical components of a vector. How do you find the magnitude of a vector from its components?

Pythagorus. So \sqrt{41.2^2+21.2^2}=46.3

so I = 46.3x0.4 = 18.5
 
AdamNailor said:
Pythagorus. So \sqrt{41.2^2+21.2^2}=46.3

so I = 46.3x0.4 = 18.5
Good. (Impulse will have the same units as momentum, thus kg-m/s.)
 
And my working out tghe average force will be correct with this new value? ie,

F=18.5/0.01=1850N.

Thanks for you help btw. This has got to be handed in in 20 minutes! Worth 25 marks too. Silly really for how easy it is, once you've got started, I'm just too hungover to think properly and needed a nudge to get going. Not even sure there are 25 stages in the question to mark.
 
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AdamNailor said:
And my working out tghe average force will be correct with this new value? ie,

F=18.5/0.01=1850N.
Looks good.
 
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