Inclined plane FBD for latch mechanism

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of a latch mechanism utilizing an inclined plane and the forces acting on a pin within that mechanism. Participants are exploring the relationships between incline angles, forces, and the mechanics of the system, including the effects of friction and the configuration of forces in a free body diagram (FBD).

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand the relationship between the incline angle and the resultant push force required to move the body, noting issues with negative results in their calculations.
  • Another participant suggests flipping the diagram to clarify the direction of motion and emphasizes resolving forces at the contact point of the pin on the wedge.
  • Some participants propose that the design of the pin's restraint is crucial, with one suggesting that assuming frictionless surfaces simplifies the analysis.
  • A participant identifies an error in their earlier assumptions about the direction of the normal force acting on the plunger, leading to a revised coordinate system and improved calculations.
  • Concerns are raised about the behavior of the system at larger incline angles, with one participant hypothesizing about the wedge "self-locking" at angles greater than 65 degrees.
  • Discussion includes the concept of work done on the wedge being equal to the work done on the pin in a friction-free scenario, with participants exploring the implications of this relationship at different angles.
  • Questions arise regarding the friction coefficient used in calculations and the forces acting on the pin, with requests for clarification on the values used in the models presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assumptions regarding friction and the direction of forces. While some agree on the importance of frictionless assumptions, others highlight the complexities introduced by friction. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact conditions under which the system operates effectively.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions, such as frictionless surfaces and the configuration of forces, which may affect the accuracy of their models. There are also unresolved mathematical steps related to the calculations of forces and angles.

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Having trouble forming a FBD to understand a latch mechanism I'm designing. See details below.
I apologize if this is the wrong area to post this in, I've never posted on thisforum before.

I'm trying to form a FBD of a mechanism that uses linear motion to actuate a pin in a transverse direction. I've attached the general idea in a picture where the pin is free to move up and down. In reality the pin is more of a spring, but I think it will be easier to model as a pin with a given weight so I can assume constant force in that direction. Also attached a more detailed FBD representing actual CAD.

I would like to know the relationship between the incline angle, and resultant push force required to move the body. When I plug my systems of equations into Wolframalpha, I get negative results for N2 and Fp, which indicates I am making wrong assumptions. I even tried a couple different coordinate systems with no luck. My hunch is that my assumption highlighted in red is incorrect.

This is my work so far. Thanks in advance!

General Idea:
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FBD for Purple Body:

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Assumptions:
  • Frictionless Top surface of purple Plunger (green surface)
  • Normal Force in X direction is equal to Fs (Fsx = N1)
Known Variables:

Mu1 = Mu2 = 0.3

Fs = 17N

Unknown Variables:

Fp =? (Plunger Push Force)

N2 =? (normal force from cap)

Declaration of Equations:

Fsx = Fs*cos(theta)

N1 = Fsx

Ff1 = N1*Mu1 …. N1 = Ff1/Mu

Fsy = Fs*sin(theta)

Ff2 = N2*Mu2Summation of Forces:

Sum of Forces in X = N1 – Fsx + N2*cos(theta) - Ff2*sin(theta) + Fp*sin(theta) --------->

0 = 17*cos(theta) – 17*cos(theta) + N2*cos(theta) - N2*0.3*sin(theta) + Fp*sin(theta)

Sum of Forces in Y = Ff1 – Fsy – N2*sin(theta) + Ff2*cos(theta) – Fp*cos(theta) --------->

0 = 17*cos(theta)*0.3 – 17*sin(theta) + N2*sin(theta) + N2*0.3*cos(theta) - Fp*cos(theta)
 
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I would flip your diagram so “motion in” is in the +x direction, so that “motion out” will be in the +y direction.
Resolve forces at the contact of the pin on the wedge, to be in the x and y directions.
You then have a classic wedge problem.

Is the pin restrained to remain vertical? If so, how?
 
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I agree that the biggest problem is how you hold the pin and that will be the important design element
to get a feel, first assume all the surfaces are frictionless. Then the "force multiplier" is the inverse of the "distance multiplier"##=\ tan (\theta)##. So a slope of a half will double the force delivered to the pin. Friction will change it a little but the design intent will be to minimize friction
 
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Thanks Guys,

I think I found my main error. I had the Normal force on the plunger body backwards. This should have been pointing inward to the body rather than outward. I did however, redo my coordinate system like you suggested, split the bodies, and added a roller assumption to the vertical pin. Cleans things up nicely! Let me know if you see anything wrong with it, however, I'm getting values that make sense finally.

I did notice when I plug in too large of incline angles, the resultant forces end up switching negative. I assume this is the point in which the wedge "self locks" ? It's greater than 65 degrees or so.

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JoeyF said:
I did notice when I plug in too large of incline angles, the resultant forces end up switching negative. I assume this is the point in which the wedge "self locks" ? It's greater than 65 degrees or so.
Fundamentally, a wedge or taper is “self locking” when the arctangent(taper angle) is less than the friction coefficient. But I thought you had eliminated friction in your model.
 
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This is kind of what I was after. In order to move the button 2.8 mm, these are the distances needed with forces to go along with the wedge angle.
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In a friction free world, the work done on the wedge, is also the work done on the pin.
Work done is force * distance moved.
At 45° the ratio is 1:1, and I read a wedge force of 28 units.
That should be the same as the vertical force on the pin. Is that the case?
 
Baluncore said:
In a friction free world, the work done on the wedge, is also the work done on the pin.
Work done is force * distance moved.
At 45° the ratio is 1:1, and I read a wedge force of 28 units.
That should be the same as the vertical force on the pin. Is that the case?
It may be the case, but my graph is showing the output assuming friction.
In either case, my model has the Normal force to both the pin and the plunger at contact being equal. And if it was a 45° incline, then I would expect the travel to be the same, so that would be equal amounts of work done on both bodies.
 
JoeyF said:
And if it was a 45° incline, then I would expect the travel to be the same, so that would be equal amounts of work done on both bodies.
Yes, and the position graph shows about 2.8 units of wedge movement at 45°.
I see no way of knowing what friction coefficient you used for that graph, nor what force was on the pin. Can you reveal those numbers?
 
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Yes, and the position graph shows about 2.8 units of wedge movement at 45°.
I see no way of knowing what friction coefficient you used for that graph, nor what force was on the pin. Can you reveal those numbers?
Yep, these are the equations I plugged into Wolfram. I varied the theta value and it spit out my N1 variable as well as the Fp variable (push force). A force of 17 N is the external force on the pin. X is my friction coefficient (0.3).

N*X*cos(theta)+N*sin(theta)+X(N*X*sin(theta)-N*cos(theta)) = F,

N = 17/(cos(theta)-X*(theta)),

X = 0.3,

theta = 25*pi/180
 

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