Indefinite integral homework problem

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The discussion revolves around the indefinite integral of the function ∫cos(x)sin^6(x)*dx, focusing on the integration techniques and the application of substitution methods in calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to use substitution with u=sin(x) and expresses confusion regarding the sign of the derivative du. Other participants question the consistency of integration tables and the implications of derivative signs in relation to the integral.

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Participants are actively exploring the relationship between integration and differentiation, with some expressing frustration over apparent contradictions in their results compared to reference materials. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in understanding these concepts, but no consensus has been reached.

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Some participants mention specific problems from their homework that involve similar functions, indicating a broader context of confusion regarding integration techniques and the use of tables of integrals.

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Homework Statement


∫cos(x)sin^6(x)*dx

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u=sin(x) then du should be -cos(x) according to the integral tables?
-∫u^6*du = -u^7/7

-sin^7(x)/7+c yet my book and calculator tell me the answer is positive. How?
 
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If u=sin(x), du=cos(x)*dx since (d/dx)sin(x)=+cos(x).
 
That still doesn't make sense to me. According to our table of indefinite integrals,
∫sinx=-cosx + C. So how can d/dx make cosx positive? Especially when I continued in my homework and came across a problem with cosx/sin^2x and my answer which is correct by the book is -1/sinx where u=sinx and du=-cosx?

(Calc is too much of I don't like that 2+2=4 so I will play with the 2's till I get the answer to be 6)

Thanks
 
neshepard said:
That still doesn't make sense to me. According to our table of indefinite integrals,
∫sinx=-cosx + C. So how can d/dx make cosx positive? Especially when I continued in my homework and came across a problem with cosx/sin^2x and my answer which is correct by the book is -1/sinx where u=sinx and du=-cosx?

(Calc is too much of I don't like that 2+2=4 so I will play with the 2's till I get the answer to be 6)

Thanks

Once you have chosen a u you differentiate it to find du. du=(du/dx)*dx. You don't integrate it. I.e if u=x^2, du=2xdx.
 
So the handy dandy table is basically worthless unless I am to integrate exactly sinx?

Oh well. Thanks for the help.
 
neshepard said:
Especially when I continued in my homework and came across a problem with cosx/sin^2x and my answer which is correct by the book is -1/sinx where u=sinx and du=-cosx?
If you got the right answer, it's because you made another mistake which offset your first one.
neshepard said:
(Calc is too much of I don't like that 2+2=4 so I will play with the 2's till I get the answer to be 6)
It's not uncommon for students learning calculus to feel this way because you're learning new techniques, but it is a sign that you don't understand what's going on completely. Rest assured everything fits together logically. There's no arbitrary application of ideas to change one answer into another.

neshepard said:
So the handy dandy table is basically worthless unless I am to integrate exactly sin x?
The fundamental theorem of calculus tells you if

F(x) = \int f(x)\,dx

then

F'(x) = f(x)

So the integral of sin x you looked up in the table tells you (-cos x)' = sin x. It doesn't tell you anything about (sin x)', which is what you needed for this problem.

One handy mnemonic is that the derivatives of the "co" functions have the minus sign, so you have

\begin{align*}<br /> (\sin x)&#039; &amp; = \cos x \\<br /> (\tan x)&#039; &amp; = \sec^2 x \\<br /> (\sec x)&#039; &amp; = \sec x\tan x \\<br /> \\<br /> (\cos x)&#039; &amp; = -\sin x \\<br /> (\cot x)&#039; &amp; = -\csc^2 x \\<br /> (\csc x)&#039; &amp; = -\csc x\cot x<br /> \end{align*}<br />

You're going to use these often, so it pays to just memorize them.
 
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