Independent Physics Institution/Agency

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The discussion centers on the search for an independent institution focused solely on high-level physics education, distinct from traditional schools or online platforms. Participants clarify that such a school would ideally offer structured, free classes taught by experienced physicists, similar to specialized music schools like Juilliard. However, there is a consensus that no such institution currently exists, as the combination of high-level physics education and free access presents significant challenges. The conversation highlights the necessity of integrating math and other subjects into physics education, making it difficult to isolate physics as a standalone discipline. Ultimately, the idea of a free, independent physics academy remains largely theoretical and unsupported by existing models.
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Is there an institution or maybe just a small agency out there purely for physics education? I am not talking about high schools or universities. I am referring to classes outside of school.

Thanks ahead for any sort of insight!
 
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John Fennie said:
Is there an institution or maybe just a small agency out there purely for physics education? I am not talking about high schools or universities. I am referring to classes outside of school.
Do you mean like for self-study at home? Like the Khan Academy or the MIT Video Series?

Or do you mean something else? The better you make your question (with lots of details), the better we can answer it... :smile:
 
berkeman said:
Do you mean like for self-study at home? Like the Khan Academy or the MIT Video Series?

Or do you mean something else? The better you make your question (with lots of details), the better we can answer it... :smile:

Ok. What I meant is a school (with teachers, not online) designated specific for physics, and not for intro courses, but for high level physics. Like think of a physics professor just quit his job at Harvard and open an independent institution not affiliated with anybody or any other schools.
 
John Fennie said:
Ok. What I meant is a school (with teachers, not online) designated specific for physics, and not for intro courses, but for high level physics. Like think of a physics professor just quit his job at Harvard and open an independent institution not affiliated with anybody or any other schools.

So you want a school that is not affiliated with any school.

Makes sense to me!

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
So you want a school that is not affiliated with any school.

Makes sense to me!

Zz.
You don't have to be so sarcastic.
I meant a school designated for the subject for physics only.
 
Who are your target customers (clients)?
 
John Fennie said:
You don't have to be so sarcastic.
It seemed appropriate to me. It has been very difficult so far getting enough details out of you to be able to understand what you may be asking.
John Fennie said:
I meant a school designated for the subject for physics only.
Can you give some examples in other disciplines? Kind of like the Juilliard School of Music does for musicians?

https://www.juilliard.edu/
 
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CrysPhys said:
Who are your target customers (clients)?
Mainly students who are interested in learning physics. (Free classes, you can come. No need to pay)
 
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berkeman said:
It seemed appropriate to me. It has been very difficult so far getting enough details out of you to be able to understand what you may be asking.

Can you give some examples in other disciplines? Kind of like the Juilliard School of Music does for musicians?

https://www.juilliard.edu/
Yeah exactly. I am just wondering whether anyone knows any such places.
 
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John Fennie said:
Mainly students who are interested in learning physics. (Free classes, you can come. No need to pay)
So you're talking about an academy offering structured classes, rather than a tutoring service. Is that correct?
 
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John Fennie said:
You don't have to be so sarcastic.

You might try and post a clearer question.

berkeman said:
Kind of like the Juilliard School of Music does for musicians?
John Fennie said:
Free classes

Then that's not another Julliard. Julliard has one of the highest tuition in the country.

I still don't know what you're talking about, but I am pretty sure there is no place out there independent of a degree granting institution that teaches graduate-level classes taught by R1 professors or former R1 professors for free.
 
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It sounds pretty clear to me by now:
He wants a school that only teaches physics, for free.

No, there is no such thing. I can't imagine why anyone would start such an institution.
 
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russ_watters said:
It sounds pretty clear to me by now:
He wants a school that only teaches physics, for free.

No, there is no such thing. I can't imagine why anyone would start such an institution.
I've never heard of such an institution either. But I can imagine a reason why someone would start one. By analogy, some musicians have started free music schools via charitable foundations. But these are typically for children in poor neighborhoods (and other select groups in need). The musicians are passionate about music and feel strongly that everyone should have the opportunity to learn it. Here's one example: https://www.sarahschoolofmusic.com/ .

So there would need to be physicists that have a passion for physics and feel strongly that everyone should have the opportunity to learn it. Not sure anyone would launch an independent school though. Physicists in this category would most likely endow scholarships or fellowships for study at existing universities (to teach physics properly, you need more than physics classes; you need labs, as well as classes in other subjects such as math and computers).
 
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ZapperZ said:
So you want a school that is not affiliated with any school.

Makes sense to me!

Zz.
John Fennie said:
You don't have to be so sarcastic.
I meant a school designated for the subject for physics only.
Maybe, but asking a better question (not having read far enough ahead yet), a small private university, if it does have a Physics department.
 
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John Fennie said:
Mainly students who are interested in learning physics. (Free classes, you can come. No need to pay)
This now becomes vacuous.
 
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CrysPhys said:
I've never heard of such an institution either. But I can imagine a reason why someone would start one. By analogy, some musicians have started free music schools via charitable foundations. But these are typically for children in poor neighborhoods (and other select groups in need). The musicians are passionate about music and feel strongly that everyone should have the opportunity to learn it. Here's one example: https://www.sarahschoolofmusic.com/ .

So there would need to be physicists that have a passion for physics and feel strongly that everyone should have the opportunity to learn it. Not sure anyone would launch an independent school though. Physicists in this category would most likely endow scholarships or fellowships for study at existing universities (to teach physics properly, you need more than physics classes; you need labs, as well as classes in other subjects such as math and computers).
If one person can donate a piano as a charitable act, then another person can donate an oscilloscope as a charitable act.
 
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Students are not going to get very far in Physics without math, so even if the business aspects would work, divorcing Physics from math in an educational setting is probably prohibitive. And if you're going to teach enough math to do a decent job with Physics, you'll have a critical mass on the math side to do a good job serving other subjects also: math, chemistry, engineering, etc.
 

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