Indian parents scale new heights to help kids cheat

[Evo]

Unbelievable cheating in Indian schools.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/03/20/pkg-walker-india-student-cheating-scandal.cnn

 

[PFuser1232]

Unbelievable cheating in Indian schools.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/03/20/pkg-walker-india-student-cheating-scandal.cnn

This is common in a few middle eastern countries as well. Where I come from, parents drive around schools with megaphones, assisting their kids during exams, with no legal repercussions. This is never reported, though.
Sadly, in some third world countries, a lot of parents do go to great lengths for good grades, missing the whole point of exams and education.

 

[Bystander]

Unbelievable

?
Not as subtle as what goes on in this country, perhaps, but, sadly, very believable.

 

[StevieTNZ]

Unbelievable cheating in Indian schools.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/03/20/pkg-walker-india-student-cheating-scandal.cnn

That video is disgraceful.

 

[dx]

There are bigger problems with the Indian educational system than cheating. For example, the subject "geography" in class 10 partly consists of the memorization of the temperatures and type of soil conditions which are appropriate for the growth of around a hundred plants. (I have cheated in such tests too, #YOLO)

To be fair, the syllabus for subjects like mathematics and physics are pretty good.

 

[dlgoff]

Unbelievable cheating in Indian schools.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/03/20/pkg-walker-india-student-cheating-scandal.cnn

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this on a news channel.

 

[AdityaDev]

I'm an Indian. Cheating is very common in such states (like Bihar). In India, there are some states which are underdeveloped. The students would do anything to pass the exams . Also, the people in Bihar behave very badly. Its not a safe place (especially for women). (But there are good people from Bihar as well like my physics teacher. He motivated me to work hard).

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this

But at least children in India don't carry pistols with them. below is a list of shootings that take place in American school. I couldn't believe my eyes when i saw this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
.Every country is bad in some way.

 

[russ_watters]

It's a lot simpler (not to mention safer!) if instead of allowing the cheating, the teachers just do the cheating for the students:
http://6abc.com/archive/9531036/

 

[AdityaDev]

It's a lot simpler (not to mention safer!) if instead of allowing the cheating, the teachers just do the cheating for the students:
http://6abc.com/archive/9531036/

This is also common in India. The teachers replace the actual answer sheet with their answer sheets.

 

[zoeschmoe]

No kidding? I didn't realize this kind of cheating was so common :/

 

[OCR]

I couldn't believe my eyes when i saw this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

In reality, you probably shouldn't...

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[Psinter]

For example, the subject "geography" in class 10 partly consists of the memorization of the temperatures and type of soil conditions which are appropriate for the growth of around a hundred plants. (I have cheated in such tests too, #YOLO)

Reminds me of a time in which a friend of mine cheated in Geography in middle school and the teacher nearly killed him. She was raging so hard and hysterical over him cheating. She sent him to hell and everything. She was like: "IF I GO TO YOUR SIT AND YOU ARE CHEATING YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE IT! LIFT YOUR BACKPACK THIS INSTANT AND SHOW ME WHAT'S BELOW!" Meanwhile everyone was trying really hard to contain their laugh. After getting kicked out of the classroom on the exam he became the laughing point of the class for a whole week. For a few days she didn't accept him in the class and he came to me to copy the material that was discussed. She was really mad (her face all red and everything), other teachers had to intervene in the following days to calm her down.

I'll never forget the whole drama.

 

[Psinter]

Unbelievable cheating in Indian schools.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/03/20/pkg-walker-india-student-cheating-scandal.cnn

It's a very poor eyesight.

It's a lot simpler (not to mention safer!) if instead of allowing the cheating, the teachers just do the cheating for the students:
http://6abc.com/archive/9531036/

It happened at my high school and I'm sure it still happens everywhere. Old leaked standard exams everywhere. Not that I needed them anyway. (I hope I don't sound arrogant here, I really didn't need them)

 

[AdityaDev]

in my old school, a girl was caught helping her friend and she was scolded by the school principal and the teachers. she went home and set herself on fire.

 

[AdityaDev]

No kidding? I didn't realize this kind of cheating was so common :/

common... but does not happen in every part of my country.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

The parents scaling the walls of the school is quite alarming. The superintendent must be blind.

 

[pvk21]

This is really unbelievable.well I am from India as well but never saw cheating this much.

 

[pvk21]

Well this is reason why most people in India are unemployed.

 

[Evo]

India is a huge country and I would imagine that practices and what is acceptable vary greatly from one region to another, this is by no means indicative of the entire country/

 

[pvk21]

Yep India is huge country.but believe me people in India are very narrow minded.I hate this the most

 

[pvk21]

All they think about is passing from college.having a better job to only fulfill his needs and ofcourse his wife's.they don't want to follow there dreams.

 

[DaveC426913]

There are bigger problems with the Indian educational system than cheating. For example, the subject "geography" in class 10 partly consists of the memorization of the temperatures and type of soil conditions which are appropriate for the growth of around a hundred plants.

I don't get it. What exactly is wrong with this?

 

[dx]

I don't get it. What exactly is wrong with this?

Well its one thing to study or learn about such things, but its another thing to expect students to memorize dry facts. I don't see what the point is in memorizing such facts. It as meaningless as memorizing the heights of a large number of mountains. What could a question like "what is the height of Mount whats-its-name in Colorado?" possibly test other than memory and willingness to memorize things for no reason?

( or maybe your question was sarcastic? )

 

[mheslep]

India is a huge country and I would imagine that practices and what is acceptable vary greatly from one region to another, this is by no means indicative of the entire country/

Yep India is huge country.but believe me people in India are very narrow minded.I hate this the most

It seems to me the point of recognizing that India is large, as Evo suggests, is that one sentence summaries made about the entire nation, such as yours, are inevitably made from ignorance: its difficult to know more than superficially the mind of a few, much less a billion people.

 

[AdityaDev]

Yep India is huge country.but believe me people in India are very narrow minded.I hate this the most

Not everyone. Have you ever went to Sikkim?? It's one of the best places in India. The people there are very kind and calm.

 

[AdityaDev]

The parents scaling the walls of the school is quite alarming. The superintendent must be blind.

The superintendent was probably a part of the incident. He might have allowed the parents.

 

[pvk21]

By saying "people in India are very narrow minded" I am not really referring to whole India.I am saying this because of my day to day experience.I know I can't predict thought of billions of people.

 

[pvk21]

Do you think cheating is big problem in india.for cheating,you have to be literate.

 

[AdityaDev]

Whatever...

Aryabhatta an Indian mathematician invented zero, explained trigonometry, and is considered as the greatest mathematician.
An Indian invented plastic surgery.
We have the most advanced missile systems.
Ramanujan was an Indian.
CV Raman was an Indian.
Meghnad saga, an Indian, proposed the saga equations.
It was an Indian who demonstrated how nucleotides control the synthesis of proteins.I can go on. The only problem was that we underestimated ourselves and we did not know the value of science.
All our ideas were utilized by western nations while we sat and enjoyed.

 

[pvk21]

You are right on point aditya we just sat there doing nothing

 

[DaveC426913]

Well its one thing to study or learn about such things, but its another thing to expect students to memorize dry facts. I don't see what the point is in memorizing such facts. It as meaningless as memorizing the heights of a large number of mountains. What could a question like "what is the height of Mount whats-its-name in Colorado?" possibly test other than memory and willingness to memorize things for no reason?

( or maybe your question was sarcastic? )

I know of many courses where memorization of material is required: geography, math, physics. Regardless, seems to me, such a minor criticism of content is dwarfed by the problems mentioned in this thread.

 

[dx]

Well, you can't really compare that to math and physics though. For example, I know Maxwell's equations, not because I memorized them, but because I have used them many many many times. It is not the same kind of memorization. The math and physics tests are also much more sane in this sense, because it is not uncommon to give a list of required formulas at the beginning of the test, to save the students the trouble of memorizing them.

I agree with you that this is just one of the problems. I know because I have gone through the system. There is a tremendous amount of pressure on the students to do well in the exams, so much that they forget why they are learning things. Doing well in the exam becomes more important than quality education.

 

[pvk21]

Well, you can't really compare that to math and physics though. For example, I know Maxwell's equations, not because I memorized them, but because I have used them many many many times. It is not the same kind of memorization. The math and physics tests are also much more sane in this sense, because it is not uncommon to give a list of required formulas at the beginning of the test, to save the students the trouble of memorizing them.

I agree with you that this is just one of the problems. I know because I have gone through the system. There is a tremendous amount of pressure on the students to do well in the exams, so much that they forget why they are learning things. Doing well in the exam becomes more important than quality education.

There you go this what I intended to say.there in no quality education

 

[AdityaDev]

There you go this what I intended to say.there in no quality education

Unless you are in a good coaching institute in India.

 

[pvk21]

Unless you are in a good coaching institute in India.

good institution you mean IIT.well you can't have IIT everywhere.

 

[AdityaDev]

good institution you mean IIT.well you can't have IIT everywhere.

I was actually talking about iit entrance coaching centres. That's the only way to get good teachers.

 

[DaveC426913]

Well, you can't really compare that to math and physics though. For example, I know Maxwell's equations, not because I memorized them, but because I have used them many many many times. It is not the same kind of memorization. The math and physics tests are also much more sane in this sense, because it is not uncommon to give a list of required formulas at the beginning of the test, to save the students the trouble of memorizing them.

Sure. I'm just not so sure that rises to the level of international news.

 

[dx]

The fact that its international news doesn't necessarily imply that that is the biggest problem with the educational system. News tends to be more concerned with sensationalism. Even if there was no cheating of the form mentioned, the system would be just as bad.

The real problem is the disproportionate importance given to exams over education, and also rote learning and memorization over real understanding.

 

[russ_watters]

The fact that its international news...

Actually, I think the photo of people climbing a wall is the news, not the cheating itself. I can't judge whether the cheating is more or less significant than in the US, but I can say that regard for safety is greater in the US.

 

[AdityaDev]

Ex-Chief minister feels sorry for eople having to climb walls
This is what an Ex-Chief minister had to say about the cheating that took place during board exams recently in Bihar. If you were shocked when you saw @Evo 's post, then get ready for something even more shocking.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...ours-open-book-examination/article7024321.ece

 

[pvk21]

Wow...I knew Bihar is very underdevelope state..but this..

 

[Siv]

Yes, this is disgraceful. The Economist had a section on it as well. But I don't think it ever came out on any Indian media.

BTW not sure how many of you have read Freakonomics ? Cheating is not so uncommon in Western countries either, although it may not be done in such a crude way

 

[Monsterboy]

The parents scaling the walls of the school is quite alarming. The superintendent must be blind.

They will go blind if you pay them to.

 

[Monsterboy]

http://m.thehindu.com/news/national/cow-issued-admit-card-by-jk-authorities-to-write-exam/article7164837.ece/

In another state, a cow gets to write a professional exam. So how will the cow cheat ?

In a strange turn of events, a cow was issued an admit card by authorities to write a professional entrance examination next week here.

The admit card for the entrance examination for Diploma in Polytechnic was issued by Board of Professional Entrance Examinations (BOPEE) in the name of Kachir Gaaw (Brown Cow) who is supposedly daughter of Gura Dand (Red Bull).

The cow was allotted a seat at the Government Degree College, Bemina for writing the examination scheduled to be held on May 10.

“All the applications are now made online. There is an image recognition software which does not differentiate between a human face and an animal picture. Someone has played a prank,” Mir said.

Mir, however, said BOPEE will file a complaint against the prankster. “We will track down the IP address of the person who has played this prank,” he added.