Induced EMF in house-hold WIFI

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the induced electromotive force (EMF) in a coil when exposed to electromagnetic fields, particularly in the context of household Wi-Fi. Participants explore the factors influencing the induced EMF, including coil dimensions, environmental conditions, and the characteristics of Wi-Fi signals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the induced EMF in a specific coil setup and seeks quantitative experimental data.
  • Another participant questions the purpose of the inquiry and requests clarification on the experimental setup.
  • A participant explains that the induced EMF is dependent on the net magnetic flux through the coil, which varies with environmental factors, and emphasizes that the coil's diameter does not directly affect the voltage.
  • This same participant notes that the voltage induced in the coil is influenced by the orientation relative to the source, the strength and distance of the source, and the impedance matching with the receiver load.
  • Another participant mentions that the power radiated from a typical Wi-Fi transmitter is quite low, suggesting that any power coupled into a receiving antenna would be minimal unless the antennas are in close proximity.
  • This participant also distinguishes between transmitting and receiving signals, indicating that transferring useful power to drive a device is a separate consideration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the factors affecting induced EMF, with no consensus reached on the specifics of the experimental setup or the implications of the findings related to Wi-Fi signals.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about environmental conditions and the characteristics of Wi-Fi signals that may not be fully defined. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the experimental parameters and the relationship between coil dimensions and induced EMF.

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Hi everybody,

I was wondering how much induced EMF would be produced in a 20cm diameter coil with 100 loops produce. Has anyone conducted such an experiment?

I am interested in quantitative values of the experiment.

Thanks,
KB
 
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hi
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Has anyone conducted such an experiment?

not sure what you are trying to prove or achieve ??
care to elaborate further ... explain your setup better

cheers
Dave
 
The emf completely depends on the net magnetic flux passing through the coil (and how it's changing), and that in turn, depends on the environment the coil is suspended in. If you're in an active environment (next to a massive sub-station power transformer, the voltage could be in the millivolt range, but in a normal environment, it might be below the microvolt range. The diameter of the coil has nothing (directly) to do with the voltage. The voltage depends only on the number of turns and how fast the flux passing through the coil is changing (V = -N dø/dt). However, a larger coil might be more likely to intercept a greater amount of flux, increasing the dø/dt term of the equation and thus the coil voltage.

Relative to Wi-Fi and the coil acting as an antenna, the voltage will depend on the orientation of the coil relative to the source, the strength and distance of the source, and also needs to take impedances and matching to the receiver load into account. Your question is pretty open-ended.
 
The limit of total power that may be radiated from a normal WiFi transmitter is significantly less than 1/10W. Any power you can couple into a receiving antenna (whatever shape you choose) is going to be considerably less than that (in the region of less than a milliWatt) unless the transmit and receive antennae are more or less touching)_

There is a distinction between transmitting and receiving signals and transferring useful amounts of power, to drive a device.
 

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