Inductive charging: Emf induced in two coil loops

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electromotive force (EMF) in inductive charging coils. The base coil, connected to a 120 VAC source, induces an EMF equal to the source voltage, contrary to the initial assumption that it would be zero. For the device coil, the EMF can be derived from the relationship between the two coils, factoring in their turns and areas. The conversation emphasizes that the induced EMF is proportional to the rate of change of the magnetic field, and the number of turns in the second coil can be calculated using the established relationships. Overall, the participants clarify the calculations needed to solve the problem effectively.
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Homework Statement


So I'm trying to figure out this problem:

The base of our charging station is composed of a coil with N1 turns and area A1 connected to a 120 VAC, 60 Hz source. The device has a smaller coil with N2 turns and area A2, which when attached will fit completely inside the charging coil.

A) What is the EMF of the base coil?

B) what is the EMF of the device coil?

C) how many turns do you need In the second coil to get a 6 vac RMS source?

Homework Equations



B_loop=N*mu*I/(2*R)
EMF=d(flux)/dt

The Attempt at a Solution



A) What is the EMF of the base coil?

This should be 0, right? No changing flux is actually going through this coil.

B) what is the EMF of the device coil?

B1 from the outer loop is : N1mu*I/(2*R1), so the RMS EMF through this loop is d/dt(B1*A2)=N1*mu*A2*omega*I_peak/(2*sqrt(2)*R1).

C) how many turns do you need In the second coil to get a 6 vac RMS source?

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My questions are:

did I do A) right? Is the EMF 0 in the base coil?

And as for part B), the problem states that the resistance of the loop is negligible, and my final answer is in terms of I. Unfortunately the problem gave me the voltage (120V) of the ac power source, so how do I get the current?

And on Part C), I don't see how to factor in the number of coils on the second loop.. did I do part B) correct?

Thanks so much in advance!
 
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khfrekek92 said:
A) What is the EMF of the base coil?

This should be 0, right? No changing flux is actually going through this coil.
This is not correct. The base coils is connected to an AC source. There will be an AC current, which will produce the time-varying (AC) magnetic field and induce the EMF in the base coil. Assuming the resistance of the base coil is negligible (perfect inductor), the induced EMF is equal to the source voltage, that is 120 V AC.
khfrekek92 said:
And as for part B), the problem states that the resistance of the loop is negligible, and my final answer is in terms of I. Unfortunately the problem gave me the voltage (120V) of the ac power source, so how do I get the current?
You don't really need the current. but you have to make a second assumption: the field is uniform within the base coil.
In that case, the induced EMF in the base coil is given by: $$ EMF_{BASE} = N_1*A_1* \frac {dB}{dt} $$
I hope I gave you enough hints to answer B and C
Henryk
 
Hi HenryK! Thanks for your quick response! So in response to your second hint, I agree that the EMF is proportional to dB/dt. But doesn't dB/dt = d/dt(N1mu*I(t)/(2*R1))? This definitely depends on I, so how do I get a value for this?

Thanks again for your help!
 
Hi,

Yes, your formula is correct, but as I said, you don't need to know the value of the current.
I gave you a hint, the EMF induced in the base coil is equal to the applied voltage (true for a perfect inductor) and it is given by
$$ EMF_{BASE} = N_1 * A_1 * \frac{dB}{dt} $$
The EMF of the device coil is equal to
$$ EMF_{DEVICE} = N_2 * A_2* \frac{dB}{dt} $$
Assuming the uniform magnetic field inside, it is the same for both coils. Therefore
$$ \frac {EMF_{BASE}} {N_1 * A_1} = \frac {EMF_{DEVICE}} {N_2 * A_2} $$

It's now easy to get your answers.
 
I see exactly what you mean now! I think I understand how it all works now. Thank you so much for your help HenryK, I really appreciate it!
 
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