Industrial Electrical Wiring Codes/Practices

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the codes and practices related to industrial electrical wiring, specifically focusing on national and state regulations applicable in Massachusetts. Participants explore the requirements for wiring in automation equipment, including aspects like wire gauge, fuse/breaker sizing, and grounding practices.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, a mechanical engineer, seeks information on industrial wiring codes and literature relevant to power circuits for automation equipment.
  • Another participant suggests a Google search for Massachusetts wiring regulations, implying that such resources are readily available online.
  • A participant expresses frustration that existing online resources primarily focus on household wiring rather than machine wiring, indicating a gap in accessible information.
  • One participant doubts that state regulations govern the wiring inside machines, suggesting that the National Electrical Code (NEC) serves as the general standard for wiring practices.
  • A participant identifies UL 1740 as a relevant standard for machine and robot wiring, providing a link to the document.
  • Another participant recommends UL 508 for industrial control equipment, noting its relevance if the system is to be inspected by UL, and emphasizes the importance of consulting with an industrial electrician for safety-related designs.
  • Concerns are raised about the appropriateness of mechanical engineers designing electrical safety systems, suggesting a preference for collaboration with electrical engineers for such critical aspects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of state regulations to machine wiring, with some asserting that the NEC is the primary standard while others question the relevance of state codes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best sources for specific industrial wiring information.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in accessing state codes without purchase and the potential need for specialized literature that addresses industrial wiring specifically, as opposed to general household wiring.

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I'm a mechanical engineer by training. At my current job, I'm designing automation equipment for various processes. Part of that design involves designing basic power circuits to power all the Controllers, robots, PLCs, sensors, etc..

I'm looking for national or state (Massachusetts) codes on industrial wiring (i.e. minimum wire gauge per load, fuse/breaker sizing, grounding practices).

Even some literature on proper industrial wiring (not necessarily a code) would be helpful.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks
 
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Did you consider googling "massechusetts wiring regulations codes"?
It will give you just what you want, I think.
It's what I did - my very first reaction. It's amazing what Google can do for you.
 
Yeah, I looked around the obvious google search stuff. Most of it is directed at household/facilities wiring. What I'm interested in is the wiring inside a machine.

I can't read the Mass state code without buying it, so I'm not sure if there's anything relevant to what I'm looking for in there. I was hoping someone who knows where this info is could tell me where I need to look (or what code books I should buy) to find it.
 
I highly doubt that the wiring/circuitry inside a machine is regulated by the state/county/city.

The NEC (National Electrical Code) is the general standard for the wiring practices you mention -- grounding, load ratings, etc.

The current NEC can be viewed online (free registration).
http://www.nfpa.org/aboutthecodes/AboutTheCodes.asp?DocNum=70
 
Found what I was looking for: UL 1740

http://ulstandardsinfonet.ul.com/tocs/tocs.asp?doc=s&fn=1740.toc

Discusses machine/robot wiring and construction standards.

The NEC code will be helpful, too.

Thanks!
 
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Refer to UL 508 - Industrial Control Equipment, if the enclosure / system is to be inspected by UL this will be the standard they review against. UL 1740 is for Robotics, which may apply - but deals more with safety system requirements like interlocks, process control, physical clearances etc.

And yes buy a copy of the NEC, always a handy reference, but you may want to track down an industrial electrician to discuss with when you have questions.

IMO - since we are talking about SAFETY - I would advise to use a consultant. While I have designed and built a number of mechanical systems - they were not safety related, I would not want my seatbelts designs by an EE - so I do not think electrical safety should be designed by a Mech E...
 

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